Shuffle tracking poker

[aslan]

Someone from Ultimate Bet intentionally got access to all the player's hole cards and used the information to his maximum advantage. Since he was so obvious, he was caught.

True story. It was a conspiracy, and they all got caught. I don't mess with computer gambling, but some people are making millions.

 

[MangoJ]

That is called rationalization.

And if a Taliban soldier reveals Osama's location by accident, Obama will also discard that information, because it wasn't obtained honestly.

Come on get real, people on your poker table aren't your friends. You are there for a reason, to take their money (and vice versa).

 

[aslan]

And if a Taliban soldier reveals Osama's location by accident, Obama will also discard that information, because it wasn't obtained honestly.

Come on get real, people on your poker table aren't your friends. You are there for a reason, to take their money (and vice versa).

I think rationalization was used correctly.

The rules of engagement are very much different between war and a game of cards. Now, if it's a matter of life and death, I won't be quick to pass judgment on cheating at cards.

If you are playing poker online and by some technical glitch you can see everyone's hand, is it cheating to use that "unintended knowledge" for months making tens of thousands of dollars? If you say "Yes" then you seem to be saying "the end justifies the means," normally considered an immoral standard of conduct.

 

[MangoJ]

If you are playing poker online and by some technical glitch you can see everyone's hand, is it cheating to use that "unintended knowledge" for months making tens of thousands of dollars?
If you say "Yes" then you seem to be saying "the end justifies the means," normally considered an immoral standard of conduct.

If I would need to modify/manipulate/provoke the poker client to show me other cards, then it is clear cheating. If the poker clients just somehow presents me the cards just by itself, it's not cheating.
The end result is the same, but "the end justifies the means" doesn't apply, as there are no "means".

 

[aslan]

If I would need to modify/manipulate/provoke the poker client to show me other cards, then it is clear cheating. If the poker clients just somehow presents me the cards just by itself, it's not cheating.
The end result is the same, but "the end justifies the means" doesn't apply, as there are no "means".

The means is your continuing to use a "cheat" to defeat your opponents; whether you engineered it or not is irrelevant. Like I said, "Rationalization."

 

[Blue Efficacy]

There is nothing unfair about it. There is nothing stopping the other players from using shuffle tracking themselves.

 

[aslan]

There is nothing unfair about it. There is nothing stopping the other players from using shuffle tracking themselves.

The case of shuffle tracking is a difficult one. Everyone does have the same opportunity, just as everyone does have the same access to educational materials for poker, but not all avail themselves of these tools. It's something to think about.