Sidecounting aces
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Ferretnparrot
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Looks like im going to have to finally buy some sim software then.
What kind of sim software will let me measure the ROI per point count, where i could also add customisation like the number of additional aces and figure the indexes for a system.
I know only of verite which is pretty old now, is there anything else available now?
What kind of sim software will let me measure the ROI per point count, where i could also add customisation like the number of additional aces and figure the indexes for a system.
I know only of verite which is pretty old now, is there anything else available now?
zengrifter
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CV modules are THE most up-to-date software of the genre.Ferretnparrot said:
Best-in-class. zg
Ps - QFIT, send the usual commission when Ferret buys.
Automatic Monkey
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Cool, I was confused about that too.zengrifter said:
RAPM is a very useful system because it has a high correlation to winning or losing a hand, as opposed to betting correlation.
But if you really want to get fancy with sidecounts on a level 1 system, you can use the Canfield Expert count, which counts 3-7 as low and 9-10 as high, and add sidecounts for the other cards as needed. This is only for the pleasure of getting fancy, it won't win that much more money.
Ferretnparrot
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MMmmm fancy things, this is why my car has both heated, and air conditioned seats....
That primo fancy feature allows me to blast heat in my car whilst coolling my butt so it doesnt get all sweaty prior to assaulting the tables.
Wouldnt an ACE side count detect additional betting opportunities that the hi/lo system would miss, and indicate a higher edge at other times so that I could put more money onto it and thus make more money?
....More money to buy...fancy things....
That primo fancy feature allows me to blast heat in my car whilst coolling my butt so it doesnt get all sweaty prior to assaulting the tables.
Wouldnt an ACE side count detect additional betting opportunities that the hi/lo system would miss, and indicate a higher edge at other times so that I could put more money onto it and thus make more money?
....More money to buy...fancy things....
zengrifter
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Canfield Expert is to Uston Adv Plus Minus what RAPM is to HiLo.Automatic Monkey said:
But RAPM is more conducive to the &s multiparameter adjustment. zg
Zach Black
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Hi Lo with Side Count
Does anyone use an ace side count and the ace nuetral indices (Appendix C) described in SW Professional Blackjack? The idea is to use the normal hi lo correct for bet sizing, then use the corrected count for insurance and playing strategy.
I've play mostly shoes but have a trip to Reno planned in the next month.
I need to learn the indices anyway for single deck, so it might as well be for the ace nuetral values.
Does anyone use an ace side count and the ace nuetral indices (Appendix C) described in SW Professional Blackjack? The idea is to use the normal hi lo correct for bet sizing, then use the corrected count for insurance and playing strategy.
I've play mostly shoes but have a trip to Reno planned in the next month.
I need to learn the indices anyway for single deck, so it might as well be for the ace nuetral values.
Automatic Monkey
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If you're going to do that, you might as well use Hi-Opt I with a secondary count of aces vs. deuces.Zach Black said:
Zach Black
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Intersting...Automatic Monkey said:
So use the Hi Opt 1 for playing & insurance strategy?
Then sum the of the ace vs duce plus plus the Hi Opt 1 for bet sizing.
The sum of these two counts is then the same as the hi low count.
I like the concept.
Zach Black
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Is this a good source for Hi Opt 1?
The World's Greatest Blackjack Book; Lance humble
The World's Greatest Blackjack Book; Lance humble
Automatic Monkey
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Should be OK, but I don't know if he covers shoe games that well in it. Best course is to run your own sims for the games you are planning on playing.Zach Black said:
Yes, the combined counts are exactly High-Low, and the main count is superior for insurance and most playing decisions. If you want to get fancy, for certain playing decisions like doubling 10 vs. 10 and splitting 10's the High-Low count is superior, so you can use your combined count for those situations.
zengrifter
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Don't do it. Stick with HiLo. zgZach Black said:
jack.jackson
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Just a little note about doing this. Say for example, that you were to convert Ho2 into RPC, (A v 3,6) then you would need to use the RPC indices for those particular hands(XvX) A9v6 etc. Not that theres much difference with a L1 count/indices though.Automatic Monkey said:
Zach Black
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I tried an hour against the computer with hi lo with ace side count
Then an hour with the hi opt 1 and an ace/2 running counts. Hi opt 1 was not hard by itself. But with the speed up it will take some time & practice to master two running counts. Which I don't have before this trip. I have no plans on changing away from hi lo for shoe games as it's become 2nd nature.
Ace side counting is relatively easy in single deck.
Then an hour with the hi opt 1 and an ace/2 running counts. Hi opt 1 was not hard by itself. But with the speed up it will take some time & practice to master two running counts. Which I don't have before this trip. I have no plans on changing away from hi lo for shoe games as it's become 2nd nature.
Ace side counting is relatively easy in single deck.
Tarzan
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Everything at all times
I had the opportunity to demonstrate Tarzan count to Ferret the other day and explain the broadbrush parameters of it without going into great detail but essentially I ALWAYS know exactly how many aces have been played and can easily determine (by examining the number 1/4 decks in the discard rack) exactly how many aces remain proportionally in the shoe. Add further playing of multiple shoes and determining clumping of aces and their locations and then you are perhaps onto something.
As a matter of fact I pretty much do the same thing with ALL the cards in the shoe... Only problem is that Tarzan count is not likely going to be learned from reading a book for 27 minutes during your bus ride to the casino and few would have enough determination or ability to ever master it. Full mastery of the Tarzan count means ALWAYS being able to afford a chilidog at Johnny Rockets.
I had the opportunity to demonstrate Tarzan count to Ferret the other day and explain the broadbrush parameters of it without going into great detail but essentially I ALWAYS know exactly how many aces have been played and can easily determine (by examining the number 1/4 decks in the discard rack) exactly how many aces remain proportionally in the shoe. Add further playing of multiple shoes and determining clumping of aces and their locations and then you are perhaps onto something.
As a matter of fact I pretty much do the same thing with ALL the cards in the shoe... Only problem is that Tarzan count is not likely going to be learned from reading a book for 27 minutes during your bus ride to the casino and few would have enough determination or ability to ever master it. Full mastery of the Tarzan count means ALWAYS being able to afford a chilidog at Johnny Rockets.
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Ferretnparrot
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Your count is awesome tarzan, and you are certainly awesome and amazing for using it, however I feel for myself there is no way in hell I would ever be able to use it practically, unless i played heads up all the time to slow the game down or something so I opt to keept it simpler for the most part right now. It was certainly very interesting to see it and it was fun to play with you guys. I hope my antics didnt anoy you as much as they did flash, he seemed to be particularly aggitated by my on table shenanegans.Tarzan said:
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Tarzan
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Card-counting demonstration
The standard card-counting demonstration that I do, flipping through a few decks and then telling you exactly what cards are left in the last 1/4 deck or so usually gives someone that uses a standard linear number line type system (such as hi-lo, Hi-Opt2, etc.) an idea of what the possibilites are. I hope it was interesting and informative for you, possibly showing you that enough devotion to this pasttime can greatly enhance your expertise and show you that there is always more to learn and study.
Few people even understand Tarzan count. Flash is the only person I know that fully comprehends all the details and ramifications of it.
The standard card-counting demonstration that I do, flipping through a few decks and then telling you exactly what cards are left in the last 1/4 deck or so usually gives someone that uses a standard linear number line type system (such as hi-lo, Hi-Opt2, etc.) an idea of what the possibilites are. I hope it was interesting and informative for you, possibly showing you that enough devotion to this pasttime can greatly enhance your expertise and show you that there is always more to learn and study.
Few people even understand Tarzan count. Flash is the only person I know that fully comprehends all the details and ramifications of it.
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jerseyshop101
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Doing a little Ace-counting research and figured I'd bump this thread 
A while back, I witnessed a player join the table very late in the shoe, place a table max bet and then state he feels lucky for a blackjack. Hand is dealt, player loses. Guy on 3rd base tells him there was no chance he was going to get a blackjack. The player asks him how does he know that, and the guy tells him that all 24 aces were dealt out already. Player says he wished he would of known that before he placed his bet, and that he wouldn't want to play Blackjack if there was no chance of getting a Blackjack. He then left the table.
Has anyone considered wonging out when all the Aces are dealt out, even if the running/true count is in the positive?
A while back, I witnessed a player join the table very late in the shoe, place a table max bet and then state he feels lucky for a blackjack. Hand is dealt, player loses. Guy on 3rd base tells him there was no chance he was going to get a blackjack. The player asks him how does he know that, and the guy tells him that all 24 aces were dealt out already. Player says he wished he would of known that before he placed his bet, and that he wouldn't want to play Blackjack if there was no chance of getting a Blackjack. He then left the table.
Has anyone considered wonging out when all the Aces are dealt out, even if the running/true count is in the positive?
jerseyshop101
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I know we would all stay in the game with the positive count, but would knowing all of the Aces are gone make you deviate from how much you would normally bet for the TC?