Simple hole carding idea
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Jack_Black
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I highly doubt there is a casino stupid enough to try and rough up an individual in a wheelchair. LAWSUIT is the first thing on the PBs mind if discovered that they roughed up a real handicapped person by mistake. the only way that I could see a casino roughing up a wheelchaired AP is if they positively IDed him from a database, and even then the AP might have really needed a wheelchair, which brings us back to square one.ihate17 said:
Lonesome Gambler
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Instead of spending so much time worrying about the legality and aftermath of getting caught using this ploy, how about just not getting caught instead? If you need a wheelchair to play these games, you shouldn't be playing them.
The reality of it is if you're sitting in a wheelchair, short of you doing something like jumping up, sprinting to the bathroom and back, the casino is going to be too scared to **** with you.
Even if they're pretty certain you're fraudulently using the chair, if they're wrong, lifting a handicapped person out of a wheelchair and roughing them up will probably get the place shut down, and some people will be seeing jail time for it.
Even if you were there without a chair a month ago, you could have a new medical condition, and you don't have to be unable to walk to use a wheelchair. Someone may have difficulty standing/walking for long periods of time and a wheelchair could improve their quality of life.
If you do elect to pull a ploy like this, don't ever get out of your chair when you're even near casino property. If some idiot gets outta their chair and gets up outta it to lift it up into their van in the parking lot then that'll get them arrested.
Even if they're pretty certain you're fraudulently using the chair, if they're wrong, lifting a handicapped person out of a wheelchair and roughing them up will probably get the place shut down, and some people will be seeing jail time for it.
Even if you were there without a chair a month ago, you could have a new medical condition, and you don't have to be unable to walk to use a wheelchair. Someone may have difficulty standing/walking for long periods of time and a wheelchair could improve their quality of life.
If you do elect to pull a ploy like this, don't ever get out of your chair when you're even near casino property. If some idiot gets outta their chair and gets up outta it to lift it up into their van in the parking lot then that'll get them arrested.
jerseyshop101
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Alcohol drinks need to be added to the ploy here for those times when you have a a very high count and you have a very large bet out there, and you need to hit your hard 19 against the dealers 20, LOL. Imagine the looks and heat you would get without being supposedly "drunk", :laugh:
jnrwilliam
Active Member
never hit at 17 though u know house is 18/+,jerseyshop101 said:
or take insurance with 100% accuracy.
I'm sure i'm not the first person to think of this, but here's an idea for pitch games:
You know how you see poker players bend their head down so they can just lift the corner of their cards up a crack to peak? Pretend that you're peeking at your cards like it's a poker game but do it just as the dealer is placing his hole card underneath.
Obviously it's best to have a big betting "drunkie" buddy to signal at the other end of the table, as crazy plays and big betting along with the bending down to peek at cards would blow your cover almost instantly. The guy doing the peaking should be a fresh face at the BJ tables; perhaps he could feign like he thinks blackjack is akin to poker and that you need to be overprotective of your hand.
You're not using a device so would anything here be considered illegal?
You know how you see poker players bend their head down so they can just lift the corner of their cards up a crack to peak? Pretend that you're peeking at your cards like it's a poker game but do it just as the dealer is placing his hole card underneath.
Obviously it's best to have a big betting "drunkie" buddy to signal at the other end of the table, as crazy plays and big betting along with the bending down to peek at cards would blow your cover almost instantly. The guy doing the peaking should be a fresh face at the BJ tables; perhaps he could feign like he thinks blackjack is akin to poker and that you need to be overprotective of your hand.
You're not using a device so would anything here be considered illegal?
After thinking more about this absolutely brilliant, exceptionally genius idea, I was wondering if I could get any feedback on whether it is illegal or not?FrankieT said:
Is it one of those grey area things that could go either way? I know the signalling part is perfectly legal, but can the bending of your head down - even if you're just trying to protect your hole card from prying eyes - be argued in a court of law as cheating? Maybe, maybe not?
jerseyshop101
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Doesn't sound illegal to me, but most likely the dealer or pit boss would eventually tell you to stop (if they notice). Your idea isn't as blatant as a guy at first base bending down to "tie his shoe" all night, :laugh:
Gamblor
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Genius is completely off. 50% of the time it helps, 50% of the time it hurts, and 50% of the time it doesn't help or hurt. Can someone double check my math and see if I got it right?FLASH1296 said:Another hilarious "geniusism" worth collecting:
"the next card could easily help me or hurt me 50%/50%."
There are few, (if any), situations where the above is a true statement.
:laugh: :grin:
It's been done, one infamous player was chased out of the casino and actually got up out of the wheelchair and ran out the door. A lawyer told me that the wheelchair could be considered a cheating device if the person wasn't really handicapped or had a genuine reason for the wheelchair.ihate17 said:
Word of warning:FrankieT said:
Dipping your head when the dealer is pulling his hole card is one of the quickest ways to get picked off as a HC reader. This particular move DOES help somewhat, but if you're going to try it; you have to be very careful; the minute you see someone watching you, you MUST stop doing it.
Besides, as Lonesome Gambler points out; if you have to resort to any of these unusual means, you're not ready to be reading hole cards anyway.
zengrifter
Banned
Any decent doctor's note will cover the wheelchair legally to prevent or ameliorate criminal proceedings,bigplayer said:
but see the Cabot/Hannum legal report, here, that quotes from ZGI >>
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=7926