Sitting out negative shoes

[zengrifter]

Or you could have just said, "for once I agree with KJ". :laugh:

Once AGAIN I agree with KJ, but I hadn't read down far enough to know it when I responded. zg

 

[zengrifter]

The dealer just took all the cards from the shoe. Fan out the cards at the table. When someone returned or there was a new comer, he or she put cards back to the the shoe. And the shoe resumes.

Huh? That's a new one on me! zg

 

[aslan]

If you read my stories in the counters' table, you know how much I hate AP who sat out the negative count. There is this mystery casino. All other tables at this casino are either 6 decks or 8 decks. So naturally all counters come to this 2 deck table. But sometimes there is a greedy counter who sat out the negative count. Sometimes he made it worse by saying he felt the shoe is bad or other excuse. Hello, everybody here is a counter. We know you sat out because the count is super negative.

Greedy or logical? If I cause a problem, that's one thing. If you think I'll cause a problem, and I don't, that's your problem. Did the gentleman get caught? Did he get the money? Is that greed or profit maximization? How come you can see he is a counter and surveillance cannot? There is a logical explanation. Either the surveillance guy(s) are not properly trained to detect card counters, or they see it and they don't give a rat's petunia. A lot of people in this xxxx and xxxxxxxxx place do not like the idea that these casinos come in and rob their friends and neighbors blind. And it's not like this xxxxxx xxxx game as you described it above has not already been advertised off the face of the earth. Why I'll bet non-gamblers and maybe even Sunday school classes are stopping by this somewhat xxxxxxx city just out of curiosity to see what all the fuss is about. For all intents and purposes, this game should have been dead shortly after the Forum began running full page ads on it several months ago.

 

[kewljason]

It happened all the time at the counters' table. I wish they just shuffled but they didn't.

The dealer just took all the cards from the shoe. Fan out the cards at the table. When someone returned or there was a new comer, he or she put cards back to the the shoe. And the shoe resumes.

I don't have much experience with this situation, as I usually just exit and don't have much knowledge of what happens after that, but this seems a little strange to me. As a new player to the table, one would expect a freshly shuffled deck. If you are being asked to play a deck already shuffled and partially played, what assurances do you have that everything is on the up and up. I would think just on policy the casino would avoid this.

I do remember one time last year, near the end of a shoe, the count was negative. I was playing with one other gent, and the cut was decent and since it was close to the end, wanted to stay for another crack at the deep cut. Anyway, with only a couple hands remaining, I pulled out and said, "This shoe sucks, I will wait for the shuffle". I do this occasionally close to the shuffle if I want another crack at that game. On this particular occasion, the other gent decided to follow my lead and also pulled out. The dealer didn't seem to have a problem with it, but she said, it order for her to shuffle the table had to be vacant, meaning we had to get up out of our seats and remove chips and other personal belongings from the table. I am assuming this was just policy, although she could have just been giving us a hard time.

 

[Brian]

Sitting out bad shoes

Thanks for the responses. I'll clarify a couple of things. I don't ask the dealer for permission to take a break or a phone call. I just do it away from the table. Respect for the rules draws less attention I would think. Also, I don't play the two deck shoes - so in the case of being greedy, I'm not even in that game. In my area of the country, I rarely see or notice other card counters at the table. Most people are relatively clueless even when it comes to basic strategy, much less being a counter.
Someone is usually at the table when I decide to leave for a break. Also, I don't do it every time a deck turns negative. If there are only one or two other players at the table, I'll stay. Most of the time the tables are full, so finding another table at these casinos may take a half hour so I rarely switch if things are going well. I've had evenings when the shoe was positive 90% of the time because of how I was executing this technique. That has to be worth something. Also, you can't do it too often. So, there will be times that you should stay and play through the bad shoe and hope for the best. I've had situations where I decided to sit out, and then the next shoe was even worse. I don't want to draw any attention by going to the well too often. So I do practice a little discretion. In addition, when the wife is finished playing slots and its time to go, she always lets me play a couple more shoes before departing. If the shoe turns negative, I get up and leave and night is over. Thanks again everyone. I'll stay tuned for any other thoughts you may have.

 

[Gamblor]

Now concerning these bathroom breaks and returning to the same table after 15 minutes just in time for the shuffle.

I think I've developed a sixth sense of when to show up exactly on the last hand or start of the next shoe :laugh:

 

[Gamblor]

me either, for real it looks so phoney. pun intended

Yes primarily for this reason. Observe the ploppy closely, be like the ploppy.

Also there is another scenario, although not greatly likely to happen, where if your not careful with the phone, your screwed.

 

[Friendo]

Yes primarily for this reason. Observe the ploppy closely, be like the ploppy.

The right attitude helps. When I surrender a 17 against an ace, I put on this mask of fear about that oh-so-scary upcard.

The weary sigh of the dealer tells me I'm coming off as a coward, which is the way to be.