Smoke at the Casinos = Unhealthy

[QFIT]

As I'm sure you know, the bar/club business in NYC is one tough business and patrons are very fickle. You can be mobbed for months and then all of a sudden no one comes. There has also been stronger noise abatement enforcement over the last few years. According to the NYTimes the overall business is healthy. Can't speak to any one business.

(Not that I know anything about the business except as a fickle customer

 

[nc-tom]

I know we've been hearing about the dangers of "second-hand smoke" for a while now, but there are conflicting studies of the problem and some now believe that inhaling this smoke might even have an inoculatory effect against lung disease! I don't like the smell of the smoke any more than anyone else here, but I'm not convinced there is any hazard to my health. Unfounded health scares are a dime a dozen.

Thanks AM for bringing some balance to this subject. As a smoker myself I am much more respectful than in the past concerning lighting up. If there are no other smokers at the table I wont smoke.Seems to me that smoking has been legal for hundreds of years and has always been part of casinos atmosphere.Until you make it a crime just get used to it.If you can find a non smoking casino then play there.

 

[halcyon1234]

All of the casinos in Ontario have gone non-smoking. (Well, the entire province has). As a non-smoker, I can't say I mind it. There's still a smoking area outdoors for smokers.

There's lots of arguments for both sides of the issue-- but since it is highly unlikely that any smoking ban will be lifted, make it work for you. Concider how it will increase your EV. Think about it. You are counting. The count goes more negative than a campaign ad. You could just stand up and wong out. But surely that'll draw SOME heat.

Instead-- as the count starts to go south, start getting nervous. Tap your feet. Look around. Then, as soon as the count is low enough, and you lose a hand, just go "Fuck it! I need smoke. Fucking ban!" Then just get up and leave in a huff. No one's going to question a niccotine addiction, after all. Go away from the table for a few minutes. Come back for the next shoe.

There you go. Perfect cover play. Now, there's nothing that says you have to actually go smoke, so non-smokers can use this too. (Maybe even keep a half empty pack with you?).

 

[Cass]

Do you guys realize that being around smoke each day can age you by about 8 years? Studies have shown that just being around second hand smoke for four hours is equivalent to a person smoking 16 cigarettes.

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Bullshit. 16 cigarettes? I must have a good tolerance for nicotine then, since i have never had the urge to smoke. I think all that second hand smoke stuff is a lot of BS. The surgeon general is basically a anti smoking Nazi. I remember him saying something that was completely insane a few months back. People who are addicts smoke and they go to the casino to get there gambling fix. It really angers me when the government tells businesses that they are not allowed to have smoking there own building. Many local bars in Minneapolis and st. paul have been hurt badly since people can no longer smoke in the bars. If they are going to put all these stupid restrictions on it they might as well just make it illegal like weed. but they will never do that because they will lose too much TAX money!

 

[TimeKeeper]

Thanks AM for bringing some balance to this subject. As a smoker myself I am much more respectful than in the past concerning lighting up. If there are no other smokers at the table I wont smoke.Seems to me that smoking has been legal for hundreds of years and has always been part of casinos atmosphere.Until you make it a crime just get used to it.If you can find a non smoking casino then play there.

LOL! You actually believed him? Automatic Monkey, and Cass for that matter, are seriously misinformed about second hand smoke. I had to laugh when I read what what AM said.

Talk to any doctor and they will tell you about the harmful effects of second-hand smoke has on a person. This has nothing to do with the Gov't. This information is coming from doctors themselves. When you're around cigarette smoke you're inhaling a third of it. That's just one cigarette. Now multiply that by how many cigarettes that same smoker will smoke in an hour.

The Dangers of Secondhand Smoke:

Secondhand smoke causes about 3,000 deaths each year from lung cancer in non-smokers.3

Secondhand smoke causes irritation of the eyes, nose, and throat.4

Secondhand smoke can also irritate the lungs, leading to coughing, excessive phlegm and chest discomfort.5

Secondhand smoke has been estimated to cause 22,700-69,600 deaths per year from heart disease in adult nonsmokers.6

Source: (Dead link: http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=39858) _WHAT IS SECONDHAND SMOKE?_

There's a lot more not listed above, like how smoke ruins the skin (premature wrinkles), ages the arteries, etc. This is why so many states have now banned it in nearly all public places. It has nothing to do with politics, it has to do with the health and safety of people and their children (click the link to see the even greater harmful effect secondhand smoke has on children).

 

[nc-tom]

LOL! You actually believed him? Automatic Monkey, and Cass for that matter, are seriously misinformed about second hand smoke. I had to laugh when I read what what AM said.

Talk to any doctor and they will tell you about the harmful effects of second-hand smoke has on a person. This has nothing to do with the Gov't. This information is coming from doctors themselves. When you're around cigarette smoke you're inhaling a third of it. That's just one cigarette. Now multiply that by how many cigarettes that same smoker will smoke in an hour.

The Dangers of Secondhand Smoke:

Secondhand smoke causes about 3,000 deaths each year from lung cancer in non-smokers.3

Secondhand smoke causes irritation of the eyes, nose, and throat.4

Secondhand smoke can also irritate the lungs, leading to coughing, excessive phlegm and chest discomfort.5

Secondhand smoke has been estimated to cause 22,700-69,600 deaths per year from heart disease in adult nonsmokers.6

Source: (Dead link: http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=39858) _WHAT IS SECONDHAND SMOKE?_

There's a lot more not listed above, like how smoke ruins the skin (premature wrinkles), ages the arteries, etc. This is why so many states have now banned it in nearly all public places. It has nothing to do with politics, it has to do with the health and safety of people and their children (click the link to see the even greater harmful effect secondhand smoke has on children).

Then criminalize smoking.Either leave it alone or make it a crime .Stop the politically correct fence sitting. What next ?

 

[QFIT]

Then criminalize smoking.Either leave it alone or make it a crime .Stop the politically correct fence sitting. What next ?

The word is compromise, not political correctness. I think drugs should be legal. But that doesn’t mean it should be legal for you to cook a batch of meth in a restaurant. I think hunting should be legal. But not in a bar. I think you should have the right to risk life and limb dirt-bike racing. But not in a casino. The point is that your rights end where another person’s begins. You have the right to risk your life – not someone else’s. And you will have a hard time convincing me that a room full of people puffing 50-some noxious substances into the air, including over a dozen known carcinogens, has no effect on my health.

 

[Pinos]

The word is compromise, not political correctness. I think drugs should be legal. But that doesn’t mean it should be legal for you to cook a batch of meth in a restaurant. I think hunting should be legal. But not in a bar. I think you should have the right to risk life and limb dirt-bike racing. But not in a casino. The point is that your rights end where another person’s begins. You have the right to risk your life – not someone else’s. And you will have a hard time convincing me that a room full of people puffing 50-some noxious substances into the air, including over a dozen known carcinogens, has no effect on my health.

It works both ways... if i don't want see gay people, i won't go to a gay bar, if don't want to smell smoke i won't go where there're smokers... until its ilegall i belive smoker haver they're right to smoke at the casinos even if don't like it (i really don't care that much).

But after its ban, what's next? no cars, because car pollution is very severe too, i know i don't want to smell car's smoke, so ban automoviles... i don't think so... We DO know what country bailed out of kyoto's protocol...

Non-smoking tables, great idea, banning smoking casinos, unfair...

P.S I DO light a cigarrette or two on weekends.

 

[Cass]

LOL! You actually believed him? Automatic Monkey, and Cass for that matter, are seriously misinformed about second hand smoke. I had to laugh when I read what what AM said.

Talk to any doctor and they will tell you about the harmful effects of second-hand smoke has on a person. This has nothing to do with the Gov't. This information is coming from doctors themselves. When you're around cigarette smoke you're inhaling a third of it. That's just one cigarette. Now multiply that by how many cigarettes that same smoker will smoke in an hour.

The Dangers of Secondhand Smoke:

Secondhand smoke causes about 3,000 deaths each year from lung cancer in non-smokers.3

Secondhand smoke causes irritation of the eyes, nose, and throat.4

Secondhand smoke can also irritate the lungs, leading to coughing, excessive phlegm and chest discomfort.5

Secondhand smoke has been estimated to cause 22,700-69,600 deaths per year from heart disease in adult nonsmokers.6

Source: (Dead link: http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=39858) _WHAT IS SECONDHAND SMOKE?_

There's a lot more not listed above, like how smoke ruins the skin (premature wrinkles), ages the arteries, etc. This is why so many states have now banned it in nearly all public places. It has nothing to do with politics, it has to do with the health and safety of people and their children (click the link to see the even greater harmful effect secondhand smoke has on children).

I believe the only people who are really hurt by second hand smoke are the people who basically LIVE with it. Waitresses in bars, blackjack dealers. You know what though, these people chose to work in these smokey places. Now parents who smoke in there house and apartment with children.. well that is just bad parenting!

 

[blackchipjim]

smoking rules

Evening gents, I geuss this is a touchy subject for most people. I would like to put my two cents in about the subject. I am a smoker but considerate of the people who are at the table and wait until the shuffle then stand back most of the time but not all of the time. The Canadian casinos banned the smoke and lost out big time. They lost considerable revenue by it and you could check out the facts. There is a an old saying one vice follows the other and it's true.I am not going to sit here and dictate morals or anything else to people but more drunks kill people than cig smokers.If you want to believe the crap they feed you about results so be it. I have gone to vegas and rarely if at all see the haze that the other places have,why? Ventalation my friends it's about ventalation or lack of it. I complain about ventalation not the smoke.I don't like stuffy places or people excuse me for now I have to go outside and have a cig. blackchipjim:whip:

 

[halcyon1234]

The Canadian casinos banned the smoke and lost out big time. They lost considerable revenue by it and you could check out the facts.

Urr.. could your quote your source on this one, please (since it is "facts")?

 

[blackchipjim]

sources

Moring, It was on cnn news the exact dates I'm unsure of. It was also mentioned on some of the gambling newletters ie. casino city times and the detroit gaming newsletters. They did state that 300 workers both on the floors and other services were hurt by the no smoking ban. I do go to the casino on the american side of the falls in ny and talked to some of the floor personnel and they even stated a marked increase in both customers and smoke on the weekends. I just got off of midnight shift and will give more sources when I get some sleep. If you want to do some research go to tobbaco.org and that seems to list alot of news articles and related sites. blackchipjim

 

[shadroch]

Dover Downs,in Delaware,put off its latest expansion and in its report to stockholders put the blame for its downturn in slots directly on the state imposed smoking ban.New Jersey cited this as the reason to exclude the casinos in AC should be exempted.

 

[azbetsgonewild]

I can't stand the smoke.

A lot of people are smoking, and drinking, and indulging in every vice known to man a the same time they sit at the table, its disgusting. There is always some asshole at the table that has smoke blowing right in my face, I don't want to smell that shit. I personally hope the ban smoking in every public place, but thats just me. I could care less if the casino doesn't make as much of a killing because of it. Lord knows, you can't have a casino making less money, that would just be absurd!!

Thankfully they just passed a smoking ban in Scottsdale, thats 2 cities down and 2 to go, no more hanging out in smoky bars!!

 

[azbetsgonewild]

Dover Downs,in Delaware,put off its latest expansion and in its report to stockholders put the blame for its downturn in slots directly on the state imposed smoking ban.New Jersey cited this as the reason to exclude the casinos in AC should be exempted.

Oh, poor them!

Funny how money is always more important than health.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

The word is compromise, not political correctness. I think drugs should be legal. But that doesn’t mean it should be legal for you to cook a batch of meth in a restaurant. I think hunting should be legal. But not in a bar. I think you should have the right to risk life and limb dirt-bike racing. But not in a casino. The point is that your rights end where another person’s begins. You have the right to risk your life – not someone else’s. And you will have a hard time convincing me that a room full of people puffing 50-some noxious substances into the air, including over a dozen known carcinogens, has no effect on my health.

You are likely right. However what is that effect? Every car that runs on gasoline produces carbon monoxide which is unhealthy and there is CO in every breath you take. It needs to be compared to quantitative toxicology data which is something we don't have in the area of cigarette smoke. All the research done has been speculative and extrapolative- a bad combination. I work with toxic chemicals every day and probably absorb some every day, thus it is important for me to know the quantitative effects of poisons, rather than just qualitative in knowing that they are poisons.

I'm a guy who despises smoke, and every time someone blows smoke in my face, my blood pressure probably shoots up 10 points. That can't be healthy. But this is from my reaction, not any chemical in the smoke.

 

[QFIT]

Automobiles make for a good example. If you spend too long in a closed garage with a running car, you will likely die. Cars spewing noxious substances belong outside in the street. IMO, so do lit cigarettes spewing noxious substances

 

[mdw]

My turn, Florida has been a no smoking state for a few years now. We are spoiled. As non smokers we really notice the smell anywhere it is. Getting off the plane in vegas, the smell at the gate will knock you over and smoking is not even allowed at the gate. It is just the stink coming off everyone sitting waiting for their plane to take off. We have found non smoking bj tables in Biloxi before Katrina and in Tahoe. We can take the smell in the casinos, the strip ones in vegas seem to have better ventilation. When we look for a table to pony up to, beside checking for autoshufflers, stand on 17, number of decks, etc, we look to see if the table has a lot of smokers. If so we move on. Not because of health concerns, just because to us it stinks and makes our hair and clothes stink. My favorite, and I notice this all the time, is some old fool dragging their oxygen bottle around the casino looking for their next slot machine and smoking. I am not a smoker, but if I were, about the time I had to drag my oxygen bottle out the door, I might think these things are killing me. nuff said. :flame:

 

[blackchipjim]

smoking vs gambling

Evening gents, I would geuss this thread is has alot less to do with playing blackjack and more to do with smoking in general. It should have been moved to another forum. I will just leave with a parting shot, I just happen to be a smoker and will sit at no smoking table I don't smoke at the table because of it being non-smoking. I do use this to my advantage when the count goes negative. I excuse myself and stand away from the table to smoke and with no one the wiser. I have done so with no hassle whatsoever as far as the pit and the other players I just seem very considerate. I have never believed that I have more rights than you and would not think to dictate my beliefs either. blackchipjim

 

[ortango]

I am so tired of the anti smoking crowd. I do not smoke but I figure if someone wants to smoke I can move away from them if it bothers me. Who the hell am I to dictate what someone chooses to put in the their own body which in my opinion is a soveriegn state.

When someone drinks, it goes in THEIR mouth. When they smoke it goes in MY nose and lungs. Since my health gets worse every time smoke is blown in my face, I should be able to punch each smoker in the arm once per hour.