So I split Aces and...

ihate17

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My guess, no splitting aces?

21forme said:
I got 2 more Aces :eek:
So, you have 2 hands that add up to a grand total of 4. Did you win?

A few days ago, in one of the cheating threads, I mentioned strange things that have happened to me playing blackjack. One that came to mind right away was getting 7 straight aces. It was at a game where you could re-split aces, and my first 7 cards were aces, followed by a 5. Left me with 4 hands:2,2,2 and 6. Dealer busted!:)

Guess it is not waisting aces if you win.

ihate17
 

mdlbj

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21forme said:
I got 2 more Aces :eek:
Thats awesome if you can re-split aces. If you are playing at a table that you can not resplit aces, your not finding the best place to play at.
 

Brock Windsor

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mdlbj said:
Thats awesome if you can re-split aces. If you are playing at a table that you can not resplit aces, your not finding the best place to play at.
RSA is not very common in the joints I play (can only think of one place that allows)
% wise how often do you see it? Is it most common in LV?
BW
 

mdlbj

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We will not play tables that are not favorable to us. Table selection
( Mathematically) is key. You always want to play with favorable rules. unfortunately for most, these rules are more common at the higher limit tables.

With enough bank, you can negotiate with an establishment to raise the table limits and change the rules. There is hope.
 
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glovesetc

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worst ace split in history

Harrahs 10 years ago I am 3 rd base and playing 2 hands . I get a apir of aces on both hand and the dealer is showing a 6 . My bet was 1,000.00 a hand so I split and have $4,000.00 out . Firstace I get a 2 , second ace i get a 3 , 3rd ace I got a 4 and 4th ace I got a 5 . I am still not worried till the dick shows an ace with his 6 for 17 and I blew $K . What is the odds of that ? Oh well only time it happened .:) :grin: ;) :cool2:
 

mdlbj

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glovesetc said:
Harrahs 10 years ago I am 3 rd base and playing 2 hands . I get a apir of aces on both hand and the dealer is showing a 6 . My bet was 1,000.00 a hand so I split and have $4,000.00 out . Firstace I get a 2 , second ace i get a 3 , 3rd ace I got a 4 and 4th ace I got a 5 . I am still not worried till the dick shows an ace with his 6 for 17 and I blew $K . What is the odds of that ? Oh well only time it happened .:) :grin: ;) :cool2:
Again table rules, double after split. Simple BS play but bad table rules.
 

ihate17

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Where can you do that

mdlbj said:
Again table rules, double after split. Simple BS play but bad table rules.
Sure, all the games I play allow double after split but they only let you take one card on split aces so you can not DAS on aces.

ihate17
 

21forme

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mdlbj said:
Thats awesome if you can re-split aces. If you are playing at a table that you can not resplit aces, your not finding the best place to play at.
No resplit in AC. I lost both hands. Fortunately, I didn't had a big bet out.
 

glovesetc

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you can not

Again table rules, double after split. Simple BS play but bad table rules.
double after you split aces in any casino I have ever been in :) :grin: ;) :cool2:
 

Kasi

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mdlbj said:
Thats awesome if you can re-split aces. If you are playing at a table that you can not resplit aces, your not finding the best place to play at.
It's a nice rule but I wouldn't exactly call it awesome myself.

Worth next to nothing in a single-deck game, more the more decks you have.

I guess an extra betting unit every 20 hours or so at a full table is better than not having it.

And to think you are not playing the best game available based soley on this one rule is silly and I don't think you mean that.

Not to mention it's quite possible for a card-counter to make more money on a game with a higher HA compared to a game with a lower HA.
 
mdlbj said:
Again table rules, double after split. Simple BS play but bad table rules.
RSA is a desirable rule, but only marginally so. LS is much more important, because the slope of it's value is much steeper as a function of count.
 

ChefJJ

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Automatic Monkey said:
RSA is a desirable rule, but only marginally so. LS is much more important, because the slope of it's value is much steeper as a function of count.
Would you say that there are many more opportunities to use LS than RSA?
 
ChefJJ said:
Would you say that there are many more opportunities to use LS than RSA?
Sure. In an 8D game you get to resplit aces 1 out of 2401 hands, and less with fewer numbers of decks. But with LS you'll be surrendering all the time, especially if you use all the surrender indices where you'll be doing it with some big bets down. Winning by losing!
 

EasyRhino

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A local casino last month was actually advertising that they were allowing RSA for the month of October. I wasn't really impressed by the tiny tiny fractional difference it made to my bottom line.

RSA rarely matters, but it is certainly nice to have as an option when it crops up.
 

ChefJJ

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Automatic Monkey said:
Sure. In an 8D game you get to resplit aces 1 out of 2401 hands, and less with fewer numbers of decks. But with LS you'll be surrendering all the time, especially if you use all the surrender indices where you'll be doing it with some big bets down. Winning by losing!
1 in 2401 hands...now that's perspective. Thanks for the info. I had always perceived that there were very few times where I have had the situation of drawing another ace after splitting them.

good luck
 

rdorange

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Rsa with negative count

If you get A,A for the first two cards and the count is even or high, I would play BS and split, BUT, if the count is real low, should you reconsider and not hit. You know you will probably get two low cards and be stuck with two stiffs that you can't hit again. Also, if you don't hit, at what point would the count need to be to just stay and die (or hope for luck)?
 

mdlbj

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Gee I have four aces on the table rather than 12 or 2 on 2 hands. I give up on you all. Correct me if im wrong but that is a huge advantage regardless of the count. Why shuffle track or cut to the high cards. Think about the above posts and tell me why casinos that the person is playing does not allow re-split aces.

Ok , ok.. What does your laminated BS chart say to do when you have 2 aces?
 
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mdlbj

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rdorange said:
If you get A,A for the first two cards and the count is even or high, I would play BS and split, BUT, if the count is real low, should you reconsider and not hit. You know you will probably get two low cards and be stuck with two stiffs that you can't hit again. Also, if you don't hit, at what point would the count need to be to just stay and die (or hope for luck)?
The only hands that you would not hit on are A8, A9, A10. Also, if there are more low cards, you will bust less. If there are more high cards, you are at the advantage with (((( 4 ))))) aces on the table.
 

rdorange

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One card only

I may not have been clear. This condition applies to NOT being able to resplit aces. If you get two aces and split, you only get one card each. If it is another ace, tuff!
 
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