Stay away from hard rock casino in Hollywood Florida

[dumbWinner]

this casino is one of the few i used to frequent. I do not know about cheating really. And as some one said they really don't have to. Because of the crowd that is there even on weekdays and mornings they are just jam packed. On friday nights their parking lot which is almost the size of the miami dolphins parking lot is packed by 9 pm. And funnily the CSM tables are more full than the shoe games. but there are a bunch of friends of mine , hobbyists who also say that the casino is rigging the decks and so on. One thing is they are making the game worse and worse like every six months. They used to have S17 and late surrender. They first removed the S17 and now surrender is gone for like 6 months or so. And the pen is getting bad too the last 3 times or so i was there. As far as myself , i played there like about 20 times for about 2 hours or so each in the past year or so. Twice they did really shallow cut when me and another guy were playing at that table. This was on two different days but within the same week or so. With all this , the place kinda seems not very trust worthy if even you had bad luck.

 

[FLASH1296]

I must have early onset senility as I do NOT recall ever seeing
Late Surrender offered at the Hollywood Hard Rock.

If I am wrong I am wrong, but I need clarification from others
on this point; as I will be shocked if indeed they were dealing
S17 with Late Surrender and I cannot recall it.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Flash, you're not senile yet! LS was never offered at either Seminole HR casino.

 

[aslan]

If you play cards long enough, poker or blackjack, sooner or later you will experience a run that you would bet your bottom dollar must involve cheating. It smells like it, it feels like it, it's hard to imagine it could be anything else. But chances are, no cheating is involved. It just happens like that sometimes, although rarely.

As for comments that they are always packed so they don't need to cheat, the criminal mind is truly warped--when criminal greed takes over, logic fails. I truly believe a cheater would cheat you even if he had a 50% advantage. Why? Just because he can. But in the present case, risk of losing one's license and jail time are two very strong deterrents. Only if a casino were in league with law enforcement would they take such a risk IMHO.

 

[HockeXpert]

Only if a casino were in league with law enforcement would they take such a risk IMHO.

There's the proof we've been looking for. The Seminoles must be cheating since they own their own police department. :grin:

I've definitely had my suspiscions about stacking the decks at Seminole Hardrock but it's almost impossible to prove. I must say that their supply of high stakes and even moderate stakes ploppies in Hollywood has been drying up lately. The only purple and pumpkin action I've seen in the last 6 months has been at bac.

If they were considering cheating I would bet now would be the time to implement it. They just inked a deal and have to share their money (though not much) with the State of Florida, the crowds and action aren't what they used to be and they are racing to expand now that they have the green light and that is costly.

I agree with the idea that a crook is a crook and they are just not satisfied making X, they want to make X*X and will stop at nothing to do it.

I personally believe that because they are self-policing (they are their own gaming commission), that they are prone to some level of cheating. It may not be at table games but I'm sure they do not offer what they represent on the surface IMHO.

HockeXpert

 

[aslan]

There's the proof we've been looking for. The Seminoles must be cheating since they own their own police department. :grin:

I've definitely had my suspiscions about stacking the decks at Seminole Hardrock but it's almost impossible to prove. I must say that their supply of high stakes and even moderate stakes ploppies in Hollywood has been drying up lately. The only purple and pumpkin action I've seen in the last 6 months has been at bac.

If they were considering cheating I would bet now would be the time to implement it. They just inked a deal and have to share their money (though not much) with the State of Florida, the crowds and action aren't what they used to be and they are racing to expand now that they have the green light and that is costly.

I agree with the idea that a crook is a crook and they are just not satisfied making X, they want to make X*X and will stop at nothing to do it.

I personally believe that because they are self-policing (they are their own gaming commission), that they are prone to some level of cheating. It may not be at table games but I'm sure they do not offer what they represent on the surface IMHO.

HockeXpert

I don't know the details, but having both law enforcement and gaming commission under their control is a license to steal. It doesn't mean they are, but you know what they say--power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[shadroch]

I don't know the details, but having both law enforcement and gaming commission under their control is a license to steal. It doesn't mean they are, but you know what they say--power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Actually, the saying,when properly translated reads- power corrupts, but absolute power is kind of neat.

 

[aslan]

Actually, the saying,when properly translated reads- power corrupts, but absolute power is kind of neat.

:laugh:

 

[chgobjpro]

seminole backoff

If they're cheating then there was no reason for them to back me off.

 

[aslan]

If they're cheating then there was no reason for them to back me off.

Ya think?

Only if you they thought you were doing something stronger than what they were doing. But I don't know of any major casinos cheating in recent years. That would be a good topic of discussion, if there are any facts to back up such allegations. Feelings, rumors and hearsay would not be worth entertaining. But I am reminded of the relatively recent online poker cheating of a couple of major online poker sites. Never say never.

 

[HockeXpert]

If they're cheating then there was no reason for them to back me off.

As wise Asian said, "the criminal mind is truly warped--when criminal greed takes over, logic fails". Criminals will go to any length to scam you and certainly take offense when you try to take "what is theirs". Greed is a dangerous thing.

HockeXpert

 

[WABJ11]

I've played here several times and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. Aren't the decks fanned out when the cards are changed/table open? If this is the case then I dont see how they could be cheating.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Yes, the cards are always fanned for inspection when changed. As I've said before regarding these properties: they are already robbing their customers blind the old-fashioned way—by offering poor games with a high house edge and high table minimums. They also have outrageously high holds on their slot machines, which are always swarming with elderly people just happy to have a slot machine to play, no matter the cost. Their overhead is also low due to tight comps, which means no alcohol outside of the HL pit (except for a special promotion at Hollywood this month) and nearly impossible-to-get rooms, even on weekdays.

As previously stated, the Seminoles just signed off on the contract giving them exclusive rights to blackjack and other banked card games in the state for the next five years. I disagree with HockeXpert, though; In my opinion, right now would be the absolute WORST time for them to cheat. They have a guaranteed profit and a legal agreement with the state to make them the only game in town for the next five years. Five more years of the garbage they've been dealing out? Why jeopardize that?

Circumstantial evidence such as, "they aren't getting as much action these days," and, "I've never seen a dealer pull so many consecutive twenty-ones" are just that—purely circumstantial. I've seen people take absolutely absurd beatings at non-BJ games at Seminole where the cards are fanned for inspection during changes and pulled and checked to make sure all cards are in play during large payouts. There is a such thing as negative variance!

 

[aslan]

Yes, the cards are always fanned for inspection when changed. As I've said before regarding these properties: they are already robbing their customers blind the old-fashioned way—by offering poor games with a high house edge and high table minimums. They also have outrageously high holds on their slot machines, which are always swarming with elderly people just happy to have a slot machine to play, no matter the cost. Their overhead is also low due to tight comps, which means no alcohol outside of the HL pit (except for a special promotion at Hollywood this month) and nearly impossible-to-get rooms, even on weekdays.

As previously stated, the Seminoles just signed off on the contract giving them exclusive rights to blackjack and other banked card games in the state for the next five years. I disagree with HockeXpert, though; In my opinion, right now would be the absolute WORST time for them to cheat. They have a guaranteed profit and a legal agreement with the state to make them the only game in town for the next five years. Five more years of the garbage they've been dealing out? Why jeopardize that?

Circumstantial evidence such as, "they aren't getting as much action these days," and, "I've never seen a dealer pull so many consecutive twenty-ones" are just that—purely circumstantial. I've seen people take absolutely absurd beatings at non-BJ games at Seminole where the cards are fanned for inspection during changes and pulled and checked to make sure all cards are in play during large payouts. There is a such thing as negative variance!

I'm on your side, however, never underestimate the stupidity of the criminal mind!

San Francisco: It seems a man, wanting to rob a downtown Bank of America, walked into the branch and wrote, "This iz a stikkup. Put all your muny in this bag." While standing in line, waiting to give his note to the teller, he began to worry that someone had seen him write the note and might call the police before he reached the teller window. So he left the Bank of America and crossed the street to Wells Fargo. After waiting a few minutes in line, he handed his note to the Wells Fargo teller. She read it and, surmising from his spelling errors that he was not the brightest light in the harbour, told him that she could not accept his stick up note because it was written on a Bank of America deposit slip and that he would either have to fill out a Wells Fargo deposit slip or go back to Bank of America. Looking somewhat defeated, the man said "OK" and left. The Wells Fargo teller then called the police who seized the man as he waited a the back of the line at Bank of America.
http://www.legal-forms-kit.com/legal-jokes/stupid-criminals.html

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Wow, brilliant move by the teller!

 

[HockeXpert]

Yes, the cards are always fanned for inspection when changed.

LG:

The cards are never displayed face up at the bj tables all at once at Seminole casinos. Neither before nor after use. They take them out of the box, check the backs and put them in the ASM. After use the cards are bagged and taken away unsorted and undisplayed. The ASM's do verify the number of cards in play but do not verify the value of each card.

HockeXpert

 

[aslan]

LG:

The cards are never displayed face up at the bj tables all at once at Seminole casinos. Neither before nor after use. They take them out of the box, check the backs and put them in the ASM. After use the cards are bagged and taken away unsorted and undisplayed. The ASM's do verify the number of cards in play but do not verify the value of each card.

HockeXpert

If this is the procedure, it is clearly suspect. I have never seen the cards kept face down when introduced at any other casino anywhere. It would not be in the casino's best interest not to inspect the faces of the cards. What if extra aces/large cards and fewer small cards comprised the decks either by mistake or by criminal design and the casino failed to check for this? Clearly if this is the procedure being followed, the casino is hiding something--perhaps it is leaving its options open for particular and rare situations. Always cheating the customer, each and every shoe, would be way to risky, but leaving the option open to catch a big player every blue moon does not seem out of the question, if this procedure is allowed to continue. Where is the gaming commission on this?

 

[HockeXpert]

Where is the gaming commission on this?

Aslan:

The Seminole tribe has its own gaming commission, own courts and is self-policing. The State of Flroida has no jurisdiction on Seminole land.

Fortunately, the card manufacturer(s) (they switched about 6 months ago from Gemaco to US Playing Card Co) they use are reputable companies that pre-box and pre-shuffle the cards for the Seminoles and other casinos that follow this same procedure. But, who knows what goes on after the cards are received by the casino and before they are put in play. Cheating could take place that either helps or hurts the casino if some high up rougue employee had access to those cards.

HockeXpert

 

[SWFL Blackjack]

Aslan:

The Seminole tribe has its own gaming commission, own courts and is self-policing. The State of Flroida has no jurisdiction on Seminole land.

Fortunately, the card manufacturer(s) (they switched about 6 months ago from Gemaco to US Playing Card Co) they use are reputable companies that pre-box and pre-shuffle the cards for the Seminoles and other casinos that follow this same procedure. But, who knows what goes on after the cards are received by the casino and before they are put in play. Cheating could take place that either helps or hurts the casino if some high up rougue employee had access to those cards.

HockeXpert

I feel the Seminoles have much more to lose than gain by cheating. Even with a player playing perfect BS, the house edge is still high in their BJ games. ($25+min tables have around a 0.5% edge) Think of how few ploppies actually use BS, and realize the Seminoles are already making a killing on the ploppies who play "on a gut feeling." If civilians were to find out that the games were fixed, they would (hopefully) boycott the games. The potential of such negative press makes it in the best interest of the Seminoles to keep their games fair and continue to profit on their monopoly and their poor conditions.

Most casinos make a large majority (usually 80%+) of their revenues from machines, so taken into account that slots are their most profitable and popular assets, why jeopardize their business by fixing a couple card games to make a few extra bucks?

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Sadly, even the $25 and $50 games have more like a 0.7% house edge. It's only once you get to $100 that you can play at a 0.5% disadvantage!