SugarHouse Philadelphia Open today

[tensplitter]

People would notice that you can surrender at Parx and Harrah's Chester but not at Sugar House. Plus, anyone conducting a random inspection for the gaming commission would notice and they would be fined.

I would make pamphlets containing that law and hand it out to the ploppies as they walk in. If enough people complain, they'll look into it.

 

[Ferretnparrot]

Don't all casinos have an office for the casino governing body of the region right there inside the casino?

Couldn't you just take half your bet and march over there to complain?

 

[aslan]

Hey here's an idea- want to score some tort? Play your game, and when you want to surrender with an even number of chips (let's say, two blacks bet) make your argument. Show them the printout of the law. When they still don't let you surrender, pick up one of the chips (make sure the camera sees exactly what you do) and walk away from the table towards the door. If security tackles or detains you, you will have a hell of a lawsuit. It'll help to have a witness with you.

Isn't that like a reverse form of entrapment evidenced by the fact that you conveniently had a copy of the state law in your pocket? The casino will of course plead that their employees were properly trained and must have forgotten or misunderstood this unusual rule mandated by the state. They will attribute it all to the newness of the casino and thank you for bringing it to their attention. They will assert that they are earnestly trying to get all the kinks out of their newly started operation. I'm just saying that it's not an open and shut case, and the judge would have to be open to a monetary judgment for your being detained and/or arrested. You may end up with nothing but an apology--but think of it this way, you would have done the rest of us a real service, getting the late surrender rule firmly established at Sugarhouse.

 

[Jack_Black]

Not offering surrender is just as illegal for a casino as you going 75 mph in a 65. Both are illegal, but usually not enforced.

It is a very big deal. gaming control is like alcohol control, very strict.

Now why doesn't somebody just get the bright idea and just place an anonymous call to the PA gaming commission? I've called myself for much much minor infractions and a gaming agent got on it right away. A casino didn't order the correct cards for their peek devices, so the manager thought it would be ok to not check for BJ with a 10 up. WTF? people would play their hand out and then if she flipped an ace, everyone's play would be void. Not too bad, just really annoying and time consuming, but I called gaming and they were pissed. fixed it in 1 hour, and the agent called me back to let him know if I ever see anything strange like that again.

 

[Tico]

melbedewy:

Instead of all this bullshit why not just print out the regulation and show it to a suit so they can remedy the miscommunication?

kewljason:

That was actually my intent, as I had a printed copy in my back pocket. I could tell, from the confused response from the pit guy, no good would come of it at that moment. Thinking back to the Mt Airy response, where they cut penetration dramatically, I was thinking what if this bozo, cuts the shoe in half on me for pursuing it. Kind of win the battle, losing the war situation. I'll let someone else be the bad guy.

CoolJ, it's time for you to visit Mt Pocono Casino (MPC) again. Due to competitions, as of a few days ago, MPC's pens are back to "normal" before the surrender-retaliation-period. Also, it does not hassle nor give heat to players who surrender stiff hands... Dealers do not stop the game in progress for pitcritters' OKs anymore. Hmm... MPC knows how to do business. As a result of good games in there, I saw great betting actions there, i.e., players betting with pumpkins like Ian Andersen .

Ferretnparrot:

Don't all casinos have an office for the casino governing body of the region right there inside the casino?

Couldn't you just take half your bet and march over there to complain?

In order to save money and manpower 24/7, PA CCC does not have open booths like NJ CCC's in casinos. I once had attempted to find a PA CCC's open booth in a PA casino. I looked high, I looked low, and I looked from walls to walls within the casino. The open booth does not exist in there...even though PA CCC has an office hidden somewhere in the casino. However, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack... I did find the only PA CCC's telephone-hot-line on a wall with a sign which reads: " To speak to a PA CCC agent, pick up this phone." No thanks... I don't trust the casino, and the line may be hooked up to the counter-catcher department. Hmm... I prefer to deal with PA CCC thru the Phoenix Rising's link: http://gamingcontrolboard.pa.gov/?p=113

 

[kewljason]

CoolJ, it's time for you to visit Mt Pocono Casino (MPC) again. Due to competitions, as of a few days ago, MPC's pens are back to "normal" before the surrender-retaliation-period. Also, it does not hassle nor give heat to players who surrender stiff hands... Dealers do not stop the game in progress for pitcritters' OKs anymore. Hmm... MPC knows how to do business. As a result of good games in there, I saw great betting actions there, i.e., players betting with pumpkins like Ian Andersen .

I have yet to play at MPC. That thought was based on info posted here, (I believe in the "retaliation" thread). Good to hear that they have reverted back to good games. We are all hoping that the increased competition would provide some good opportunities plus maybe 'force' existing locations like AC to offer better games.

 

[aslan]

I have yet to play at MPC. That thought was based on info posted here, (I believe in the "retaliation" thread). Good to hear that they have reverted back to good games. We are all hoping that the increased competition would provide some good opportunities plus maybe 'force'existing locations like AC to offer better games.

If they ever heard that word, force, I believe they would dig their heels in all the more vigorously. Can I explain this phenomenon? No. Until I see differently with my own eyes, it is what I believe. The big time casinos, seem oblivious to what is going on around them. Of course, we cannot see the statistical and other information from which them operate. If we could, it might shed some light on what appears to be myopic decision-making.

 

[bj21abc]

Took a look at the Sugarhouse BJ rules on their website - no mention of surrender. Would it not be enough to point the gaming commission at the rules that the Sugarhouse itself has placed online ?

D.

People would notice that you can surrender at Parx and Harrah's Chester but not at Sugar House. Plus, anyone conducting a random inspection for the gaming commission would notice and they would be fined.

I would make pamphlets containing that law and hand it out to the ploppies as they walk in. If enough people complain, they'll look into it.

 

[aslan]

Took a look at the Sugarhouse BJ rules on their website - no mention of surrender. Would it not be enough to point the gaming commission at the rules that the Sugarhouse itself has placed online ?

D.

I don't see how it could hurt.

 

[21forme]

This was corrected earlier today. See my post in the other Sugarhouse thread.