"Surrender pays 1:2"

[BJgenius007]

I have been asked to return chips gained from dealer errors, when the "eye" called down.
I would leave at that point, as they had "outed" themselves as surveilling my table.

This is a true story I witnessed in Rivers Casino. This Chinese guy bet from $15 to $300 a hand, but I think he is not an AP since he could suddenly jump to $300 in a very negative true count randomly. So, he bet $3000 this hand (unfortunately again in a very negative count) and stay at 16 vs. dealer's 7. Dealer got a few small cards to reach 17. Everyone in the table got either 19 or higher. So dealer paid everyone, even the Chinese guy. I saw he was surprised and hesitated a bit but he took the chips anyway. His mistake is not to leave right away. Because 15 or 20 minutes later, the boss of pit boss came and asked him to return $600. He said the casino had surveillance tape to prove the dealer paid him $600 by mistake. The guy was miserable because at that time he had only $650 or so left. But he did not fight after mumbling a few words.

 

[Pelerus]

This is a true story I witnessed in Rivers Casino. This Chinese guy bet from $15 to $300 a hand, but I think he is not an AP since he could suddenly jump to $300 in a very negative true count randomly. So, he bet $3000 this hand (unfortunately again in a very negative count) and stay at 16 vs. dealer's 7. Dealer got a few small cards to reach 17. Everyone in the table got either 19 or higher. So dealer paid everyone, even the Chinese guy. I saw he was surprised and hesitated a bit but he took the chips anyway. His mistake is not to leave right away. Because 15 or 20 minutes later, the boss of pit boss came and asked him to return $600. He said the casino had surveillance tape to prove the dealer paid him $600 by mistake. The guy was miserable because at that time he had only $650 or so left. But he did not fight after mumbling a few words.

Good point.

Max bet mispay in your favor? That's the time to take a little break for a while.

 

[tribute]

This is a true story I witnessed in Rivers Casino. This Chinese guy bet from $15 to $300 a hand, but I think he is not an AP since he could suddenly jump to $300 in a very negative true count randomly. So, he bet $3000 this hand (unfortunately again in a very negative count) and stay at 16 vs. dealer's 7. Dealer got a few small cards to reach 17. Everyone in the table got either 19 or higher. So dealer paid everyone, even the Chinese guy. I saw he was surprised and hesitated a bit but he took the chips anyway. His mistake is not to leave right away. Because 15 or 20 minutes later, the boss of pit boss came and asked him to return $600. He said the casino had surveillance tape to prove the dealer paid him $600 by mistake. The guy was miserable because at that time he had only $650 or so left. But he did not fight after mumbling a few words.

What if the guy had left immediately? Would the casino then send him nasty letters in the mail trying to collect it?

 

[tribute]

Very nice. I had a dealer doing the double down rescue rule like that. Lots of fun!

One thing you have to be prepared for in these situations is the pit confronting you and trying to make you give the money back. Of course that's illegal. One time a dealer was misplaying and after a big win, the PC asked for my winnings like a real jerk and I said, loudly and angrily "And what about all the hands I lost, you [expletives deleted]?" He shrugged and slunk away, and I got the hell out of that place.

What is "double down rescue rule"?

 

[Dyepaintball12]

What is "double down rescue rule"?

You Double Down and if you don't like what you got you can take your doubled portion back and the dealer takes your original bet.

 

[FLASH1296]

I have been asked to return mispays, after the fact, on several occasions.

It is my understanding that states where the casinos are heavily taxed, e.g. Illinois, are very vigilant re:
the return of mispays; although I do not know of them requesting, by mail or phone, the return of the money.

 

[aslan]

I have been asked to return mispays, after the fact, on several occasions.

It is my understanding that states where the casinos are heavily taxed, e.g. Illinois, are very vigilant re:
the return of mispays; although I do not know of them requesting, by mail or phone, the return of the money.

That would be like getting a speeding ticket in the mail courtesy of your local speed camera. Of course, there you have grounds to refuse payment, as in "I wasn't the person who was driving!'

 

[WRX]

This is a true story I witnessed in Rivers Casino. This Chinese guy bet from $15 to $300 a hand, but I think he is not an AP since he could suddenly jump to $300 in a very negative true count randomly. So, he bet $3000 this hand (unfortunately again in a very negative count) and stay at 16 vs. dealer's 7. Dealer got a few small cards to reach 17. Everyone in the table got either 19 or higher. So dealer paid everyone, even the Chinese guy. I saw he was surprised and hesitated a bit but he took the chips anyway. His mistake is not to leave right away. Because 15 or 20 minutes later, the boss of pit boss came and asked him to return $600. He said the casino had surveillance tape to prove the dealer paid him $600 by mistake. The guy was miserable because at that time he had only $650 or so left. But he did not fight after mumbling a few words.

That story's hilarious on so many levels!

 

[sevencard2003]

played the 3-2 paying 6 deck VBJ machine a lot at the river palms in laughlin, its better than vegas because 1 of them stands on all 17s. had i found that surrender err, id have started max betting $100 per spot on all hands, (i always play more than 1 spot) and surrending as much as i could, and once i made about $25,000 or more in a few hours, id have left town and prayed i wasnt arrested, and used the money i won to find a good attorney if it came to that. but since i didnt violate the law, would i have to worry?

 

[shadroch]

played the 3-2 paying 6 deck VBJ machine a lot at the river palms in laughlin, its better than vegas because 1 of them stands on all 17s. had i found that surrender err, id have started max betting $100 per spot on all hands, (i always play more than 1 spot) and surrending as much as i could, and once i made about $25,000 or more in a few hours, id have left town and prayed i wasnt arrested, and used the money i won to find a good attorney if it came to that. but since i didnt violate the law, would i have to worry?

As almost every machine has a sticker saying a computer error voids all payouts, you might not have a legal leg to stand on. But why bust them out over a few hours when you can milk them slowly for as long as you want.

 

[MangoJ]

You Double Down and if you don't like what you got you can take your doubled portion back and the dealer takes your original bet.

So it's a surrender after double ?

 

[Blue Efficacy]

So it's a surrender after double ?

That is exactly what double down rescue is.