They got me?

[nicetrades200303]

The situation is that your videotaped play will be run through a "skills check" after you are gone.

If you return, even in the distant future, you will not be permitted to play. End of story.

I am trying to figure out what weirdness was going on in your head that had you hanging around other games and acting as if you were interested in those games. Even if you threw away money on those negative equity games that would have certainly not changed anything.

What say you ?

Flash, as Sucker said, I suspected heat but wasn't sure, so I wanted to "assess." It turned out it wasn't just heat: It was an erupting volcano.

Now thinking back, blackjack avenger is right...by going to the Pai Gow and Baccarat games, I put my face in front of other floor supervisors, who will surely rotate to the blackjack pits.

 

[nicetrades200303]

what could have been the trigger?

But this incident perplexed me. What was the thing that initiated this heat? Was it something the cashier wrote on my account? Did surveillance review my play after the $3K cashout? I don’t think the floor supervisor would have called the pit manager had he not seen notes on my account, which most likely were written some time after the $3K cashout.

 

[tthree]

But this incident perplexed me. What was the thing that initiated this heat? Was it something the cashier wrote on my account? Did surveillance review my play after the $3K cashout? I don’t think the floor supervisor would have called the pit manager had he not seen notes on my account, which most likely were written some time after the $3K cashout.

Yes and yes.

 

[flyingwind]

Now thinking back, blackjack avenger is right...by going to the Pai Gow and Baccarat games, I put my face in front of other floor supervisors, who will surely rotate to the blackjack pits.

How else could you, or anyone, assess the situation? Without involving additional PCs?

 

[flyingwind]

But this incident perplexed me. What was the thing that initiated this heat? Was it something the cashier wrote on my account? Did surveillance review my play after the $3K cashout? I don’t think the floor supervisor would have called the pit manager had he not seen notes on my account, which most likely were written some time after the $3K cashout.

Do all large cashouts (ie. 3k and up) get a retroactive surveillance tape review? I'm sure what is considered a large cashout threshold varies from place to place.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

But this incident perplexed me. What was the thing that initiated this heat? Was it something the cashier wrote on my account? Did surveillance review my play after the $3K cashout? I don’t think the floor supervisor would have called the pit manager had he not seen notes on my account, which most likely were written some time after the $3K cashout.

Don't assume you know what the PC's were interested in. Although you probably have been identified as AP, there's also the possibility they were following you around because they wanted to lavish comps on you.

The cashout had nothing to do with any heat. Someone told the cashier to get a player's card over $3K, and the notes she had entered were her documenting that she got your players card.

The way to know for sure- are your comps still good? Comp points are always the first thing to go, and if you can still go into the shop and buy a candy bar with your points you are still good.

 

[nicetrades200303]

Don't assume you know what the PC's were interested in. Although you probably have been identified as AP, there's also the possibility they were following you around because they wanted to lavish comps on you.

The cashout had nothing to do with any heat. Someone told the cashier to get a player's card over $3K, and the notes she had entered were her documenting that she got your players card.

The way to know for sure- are your comps still good? Comp points are always the first thing to go, and if you can still go into the shop and buy a candy bar with your points you are still good.

So I tested the waters by calling my host to book a complimentary room for several nights. No problemo! What do you guys think? Should I go in there to “buy a candy bar” to be sure?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

So I tested the waters by calling my host to book a complimentary room for several nights. No problemo! What do you guys think? Should I go in there to “buy a candy bar” to be sure?

Recommend you keep those points spent and as close to zero as you can at any sign of heat, which is now. Not suggesting you overeat candy though, maybe gift cards or mass-market electronics you can resell. I got burned myself like that for a few hundred in comp dollars, made it a point to never let that happen again.

 

[Gamblor]

So I tested the waters by calling my host to book a complimentary room for several nights. No problemo! What do you guys think? Should I go in there to “buy a candy bar” to be sure?

Its not necessarily true that you need to avoid the casino. I've been on the bad end of a huddle, but was back the next week, and week after week with no problems, avoiding the pit where the same pit tended to be consistently. So assuming you play at a large enough casino where you can avoid the same cast of characters, you might be able to return.

Furthermore consider that most employees at a casino have either M/Tu or W/Th off.

But of course, its better to be safe than sorry if possible.

 

[pogostick]

don't assume you know what the pc's were interested in. Although you probably have been identified as ap, there's also the possibility they were following you around because they wanted to lavish comps on you.

The cashout had nothing to do with any heat. Someone told the cashier to get a player's card over $3k, and the notes she had entered were her documenting that she got your players card.

The way to know for sure- are your comps still good? comp points are always the first thing to go, and if you can still go into the shop and buy a candy bar with your points you are still good.

good advice ! Last time i was playing ,pit looked at me & recalled my name. A few minutes later he gave me $80 in match play.

 

[stopgambling]

doesnt sound like a nice game ,what kind of pen. was it?

 

[nicetrades200303]

doesnt sound like a nice game ,what kind of pen. was it?

Excellent pen.

 

[CrazyEddie]

And try to remember those bosses' faces. If you see them at the same store, dodge. If they change jobs, you may see them elsewhere.

Sometime in the past I had a winning streak at craps where I was insanely lucky over a period of a couple of years. While playing at casino P I saw a boxman who had recently moved there from casino T. I said hi, and he said, "You don't know me" which is the highest compliment I have ever received as a craps player!

Correct me if I am wrong, but I would not assume that a PC who recognizes you after his changing employment is necessarily hostile or dangerous. After all, these guys make almost as little as the dealers.

 

[Sucker]

I would not assume that a PC who recognizes you after his changing employment is necessarily hostile or dangerous.

If you care about longevity, you certainly will. Or at the very LEAST; proceed under that assumption.

After all, these guys make almost as little as the dealers.

All the MORE reason for them to seek a promotion.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Strange how people think snitching is going to get them promoted or otherwise respected by people in authority.

I knew a guy who wanted to become a cop, so he got a job as a security guard and called up the police every day with information about people, including those he worked with, hoping he would be welcomed into their ranks for this behavior. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[chichow]

Milwaukee

Hypothetically if it was in Wisconsin and HL that requires a card.

Are you sure you have accurately sim'ed that game that it is truly +EV vs. just a good run?

And playing HL for extended periods of time at a home base casino is not generally a recipe for longevity

 

[MeWin$]

Dont back yourself off

To the OP: the casino hasnt backed u off, u basically have backed yourself off.
Dont wait too long before u go back ur sacrificing EV by not going.
Again, youve bakced yourself, the casino hasnt done anything.
As for being flyered, thats out of your control now anyways.
These casinos are often just guessing, and you certainly acted strange.
Just relax, man. The boogeyman is not out to get you.
Also, I bet their surveillance cant count and the casino just has a pain threshold, is all.
And as for playing rated and then unrated?!
Yah, thats really suspicious behavior for casino staff to see.
You basically did everything wrong and i bet ur still ok to play there.
Good luck in the future.

 

[nicetrades200303]

Are you sure you have accurately sim'ed that game that it is truly +EV vs. just a good run?

The rules are not that good. But the good pen makes the game +EV.

And playing HL for extended periods of time at a home base casino is not generally a recipe for longevity

This game was in the green chip area. They have a separate High Limit room.

 

[nicetrades200303]

To the OP: the casino hasnt backed u off, u basically have backed yourself off.

I backed myself off, not wanting the casino to back me off and tag me.

Again, youve bakced yourself, the casino hasnt done anything.

MeWin$, to a rookie counter like myself, the series of actions that happened, being asked for a player's card when cashing out, floorperson recognized you and pulled up your account, pit manager and floorpersons followed you to different pits...I didn't know what else to do but to get out of town.

You basically did everything wrong and i bet ur still ok to play there.

Teach this rookie how the situation could have been handled better, MeWin$.

These casinos are often just guessing, and you certainly acted strange. Just relax, man. The boogeyman is not out to get you. Also, I bet their surveillance cant count and the casino just has a pain threshold, is all.

Don't assume you know what the PC's were interested in. Although you probably have been identified as AP, there's also the possibility they were following you around because they wanted to lavish comps on you.

The cashout had nothing to do with any heat. Someone told the cashier to get a player's card over $3K, and the notes she had entered were her documenting that she got your players card.

MeWin$, I sure hope you and Automatic Monkey are right. This game is the only decent pen 2D game near me. But I'm light years away from resembling a high roller, so the thought that these people followed me around to give me comps is like...uh, me hitting a million dollar jackpot on the slots--nice dream, though.

 

[MeWin$]

Ok, here goes.

Thanks for listening and not getting too defensive.

Teach you, ok. Besides what i said already, just dont act guilty of anything. Just act like a normal ploppy and that u have nothing to hide.
Remember if any casino staff actually knew how to count, there is absolutely nothing you can do once youve been made. A skills check is run and you are done. So, u cant worry about that. Btw, ur not in Vegas, meaning a lot of times its not a big deal to the pit crew and they have better things to do than chase suspected counters around. Remember PB's are ploppies and a lot of them dont even belive in cardcounting. At anyrate, it seems that the risk of being flyered is very low. I mean cmon this isnt the movie 21.
How would they know for sure if u even count if they themselves cant count you down? A lot of times what the casino will do is start tracking your win/loss (rathole here is essential) and they will maybe start halfsheing you. When they start tracking you, your ratholing of chips will actually help you stay longer. When they halfshoe, just act like you dont even notice and keep playing for hours. Remember ur a ploppy and ploppies dont notice things like pen, right? Its a good cahnce that the casino is just guessing, dont leave like an AP would.
Now, its true that some respected members of this board will note that, indeed, when u are halfshoed you are done, and they are right, but not all of the time, perhaps only half the time.
Also, choose who you listen to on this board, the majority are noobs like urselves, dishing out uneducated, ignorant, harmful advice.Why they do this ill never know, maybe people just like appearing smart, who knows?
Respected members who commented on this post are AutoMonkey, Chaperone, and Sucka. More wise ones could have posted but i havent read the whole thing.
Good luck