Third base - sure loser?

[blackjackstudent]

Hi all! I am relatively new to counting and I just wanted to ask you guy whether seating matters at all. I have often heard that a person should not sit at the third base because he will tend to lose more often compared when hes at first base?

What do you guys think? I think its kind of suspicious but no one can really predict the card. For me, I think sitting at third base (or at last base) aids me in counting cards but often at third base you get abused if you make a decision which costs the table. I always tell people that I play for myself or act as if Im not interested.

What you guys think?

 

[creeping panther]

Student

Hi all! I am relatively new to counting and I just wanted to ask you guy whether seating matters at all. I have often heard that a person should not sit at the third base because he will tend to lose more often compared when hes at first base?

What do you guys think? I think its kind of suspicious but no one can really predict the card. For me, I think sitting at third base (or at last base) aids me in counting cards but often at third base you get abused if you make a decision which costs the table. I always tell people that I play for myself or act as if Im not interested.

What you guys think?

It is a proven fact that aces and tens land on 1st base more than any other spot, 3rd has the highest ration of 15 and 16.

:joker:

AIF,
CP

 

[bjcounter]

:laugh:

 

[blackjackstudent]

Is this a suspicious fact? What happens if you change the number of boxes continually? Say one round you play one box, the next round you play three box, the next round you play two boxes. Will that change the order of the cards?

 

[johndoe]

Is this a suspicious fact? What happens if you change the number of boxes continually? Say one round you play one box, the next round you play three box, the next round you play two boxes. Will that change the order of the cards?

Of course it changes the order of the cards. But unless someone happens to know how the cards are ordered in the shoe, they can't claim it's BAD, and it's equally likely to be a positive or negative effect.

But play along as part of your act (but spread at will)

People are idiots. They whine and yell at you even if you happen to improve the cards, insisting that you'll eventually cause something bad.

 

[blackjackstudent]

Johndoe, does it matter where you sit when you play BJ? Obviously we want a condition which is uncrowded so that we can spread the number of boxes when we have an advantage or when the count is positive?

Do you play at first base more often than third base (or last base) or do you think it matters at all?

 

[johndoe]

Johndoe, does it matter where you sit when you play BJ? Obviously we want a condition which is uncrowded so that we can spread the number of boxes when we have an advantage or when the count is positive?

As far as the cards go, if you're card counting, it doesn't matter at all. The cards don't know where you're sitting.

Do you play at first base more often than third base (or last base) or do you think it matters at all?

It's irrelevant as far as the cards are concerned.

(Other things come into consideration, like getting a glimpse of the dealer holecard, taking advantage of an error, being able to "blockade" multiple spots, etc. which would make sitting in certain places more beneficial.)

 

[tribute]

It is a proven fact that aces and tens land on 1st base more than any other spot, 3rd has the highest ration of 15 and 16.

:joker:

AIF,
CP

May I ask where is the proof of this "fact"? What is your source?

 

[kewljason]

It is a proven fact that aces and tens land on 1st base more than any other spot, 3rd has the highest ration of 15 and 16.

:joker:

AIF,
CP

It's been my experience that the highest ration of 15 and 16 lands on whatever spot I am playing at the time. As for the tens and aces, I know not where they land most, but have a pretty good idea where they land least. :laugh:

But in all seriousness, CP, I am not familar with this proven fact at all. Can you explain it or point me towards a source that could.

 

[shadroch]

Like he's going to post the source on a free internet site. Go to the BJ Bash and be sure to sign up for his seminar, where it will all make sense,right after your imbibe the sacred mushrooms and smoke the pipes of peace.

 

[Kasi]

But in all seriousness, CP, I am not familar with this proven fact at all. Can you explain it or point me towards a source that could.

I don't know but, off-hand, mathematically-speaking, I see no reason why more of whatever would occur based on seat position.

Like I think that you are saying.

The only advantage of sitting at 3rd base to me is, if employing indexes, one will see more avg cards to make that departure decision compared to if sitting at 1st base.

All bases have to make their betting decision on the same count before any cards are dealt.

Personally, rightly or wrongly, I've always loved 3rd base and sit there any chance I get. It's like the best of both worlds - not only do I get to piss everyone off when making a BS departure play, I get to do it more often. :laugh:

Just my thoughts - I have no idea whether they are "right" or not, as usual.

 

[matt21]

It is a proven fact that aces and tens land on 1st base more than any other spot, 3rd has the highest ration of 15 and 16.

:joker:

AIF,
CP

i have also done some probability analysis on this. and it is true that on 3rd base 15 or 16 occurs statistically more often than on 1st base. initially i was surprised with this finding but now it does make sense to me - so since then i always avoid sitting at third base.

 

[blackjackstudent]

Thanks for all your replies guys - hmm very interesting fact. Does this take into account the number of boxes (or spots) opened? Some people whether they are winning or losing will open up multiple boxes to piss off the suspicious people.

Another thing when considering is that in Australia, we have seven betting positions or spots whereas in USA, there are six betting spots or positions.

This is interesting website: http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration10.htm

 

[matt21]

dear blackjackstudent - i just realised that you may be taking CP and myself seriously!

to put your mind at rest. the chance of having 15/16's is the same regardless what spot you sit at.

sorry i was carrying on with CP's humor :joker:

 

[blackjackstudent]

I decided to post this on the forum because I heard from someone who claimed to be a professional told someone else that avoid sitting on the third base because you often lose more often on third base. I was being stupid or funny and I myself often like third base because I can count the cards and have more time to make a playing decisions compared to someone at first base.

Thats why I wanted to bring the topic up. I will email you more information lately.

 

[kewljason]

dear blackjackstudent - i just realised that you may be taking CP and myself seriously!

to put your mind at rest. the chance of having 15/16's is the same regardless what spot you sit at.

sorry i was carrying on with CP's humor :joker:

Like blackjackstudent and tribute, CP's humor was apparently lost on myself. I have always found CP to be a valuable source of info. Some of his thinking tends to be a bit outside the traditional box, which is a good thing and therefore the reason why I questioned his statement. I'll have to try to look on the "lite" side of things a bit more and appreciate the humor.

 

[creeping panther]

Pissed off

Like he's going to post the source on a free internet site. Go to the BJ Bash and be sure to sign up for his seminar, where it will all make sense,right after your imbibe the sacred mushrooms and smoke the pipes of peace.

Ok Shad, that is it, I have had it with you.

The date of the BASH is now set and YOU ARE GOING!!!

My black Lear Jet will be sitting on the the TARMAC of JFK On the date I have PM'd you. You will know it as it has "Custer Died For Your Sins" stenciled on the sides in big blood red letters. You will then enter the plane, which will be protected by some very stern looking "BJ Warriors" for your free trip to the BASH. Once there you will attempt to be sociable, have at your beck and call beautiful Cheyenne Maidens, whom you may not touch just look at, take part in my seminar in the private hospitality room, "The Predator system", of course at no cost. (Usually I charge $1000 a class, cheap for what you get)

After that we will attempt to get you to talk BJ with all the attendess, play fine BJ, non stop for hours, eat and drink and be Merry.:toast:

I do promise that after all the partying is over every strand of your hair will be intact.:laugh:

AIF,
CP

 

[shadroch]

Thanks for all your replies guys - hmm very interesting fact. Does this take into account the number of boxes (or spots) opened? Some people whether they are winning or losing will open up multiple boxes to piss off the suspicious people.

Another thing when considering is that in Australia, we have seven betting positions or spots whereas in USA, there are six betting spots or positions.

This is interesting website: http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration10.htm

Keep in mind that everything in oz is upside down, so first base here is third base there.

 

[ihate17]

Here is what I know about 3rd base

If you like to spread your stuff out on the table you generally have more room at 3rd or 1st base if playing on a crowded table.
You will see more cards before making an indice play.

You will win more hands at third base unless you do not.
You will get more blackjacks at third base unless you do not.
You will get more 15's and 16's at third base unless you do not.
You will lose more money at third base unless you do not.
You will win more money at third base unless you do not.
If someone adds a hand and changes the Sacred Flow of the cards, playing at third base will help you, unless it does not.

I base all of this on indepth observations while cardcounting for over 30 years and really believe that third base is advantageous, unless it is not.

Finally, the moderator could move this thread to the Voo Doo board (unless he does not)

ihate17 (but like 3rd base except when I do not)

 

[imp]

It is a proven fact that aces and tens land on 1st base more than any other spot, 3rd has the highest ration of 15 and 16.:joker:AIF,CP

This "proven" fact sounds rather dubious to me. I see no mathematical reason why it should be so. imp