This is what casino surveillance uses to catch counters?!?!

jaygruden

jaygruden

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The "**** Stick" company had to go bankrupt by now. It's easier, or just as easy, keeping the count in your head.

Edit: Sorry mods.....I should have censored myself and just called it "crap stick" but it didn't have the same alliteration value
 
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bigplayer

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Could be Illegal

alwayssplitaces said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n1nVLRyJ_k

Some company is marketing a glorified ruler for casino surveillance to keep track of the running count. That's just silly. And it won't help if a counter is not using the Hi-Lo method.
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Device laws based on the Nevada model do not allow either the casino or the player to use any device to count cards in real time. If the casino uses this device to decide to order shuffles during play it could very well be illegal.
 
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Cardcounter

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Gamblor said:
There's many more like him. Just saw a floor person advise a player not to split 9's against dealer 4. "Never break up a made hand".
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Most players don't know how to play a pair of 9's including casino personal so he might be telling the player how he would play the hand.
 
Friendo

Friendo

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Cardcounter said:
Most players don't know how to play a pair of 9's including casino personal so he might be telling the player how he would play the hand.
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Sat down at a shoe next to a dealer I knew from another place.

He took objection to a couple of basic strategy plays I made. My splitting 6-6 against a 4 clearly ruined the shoe for him.
 
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Bondy3

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yes, because multi billion dollar establishments that have swings daily of 100k+ and multi million dollar surveillance systems cant afford a computer to count
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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bigplayer said:
Device laws based on the Nevada model do not allow either the casino or the player to use any device to count cards in real time. If the casino uses this device to decide to order shuffles during play it could very well be illegal.
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I believe a Nevada court has told the casinos they may not use Mindplay that way, because it affects the results and play of the game.

Using it in surveillance would be something different because surveillance does not affect what is going on at the table. I suppose they could; a signal from surveillance could come down to back off a big better (counting or not) or to switch dealers and force a shuffle in a DD game. That would probably be found illegal too because it has the same effect on the odds as using it to shuffle. The only way to use it legally would be to wait until the normal shuffle to back a player of with the information, because then the information is not current.
 
Gamblor

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LVBear584 said:
What morons would need that stupid stick? Many of our opponents, that's who. LOL.
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Better off to assume in general that our opponents are smart and dedicated. But of course in reality this is often not the case. Just need to think through how most companies hire and treat their employees, its "expensive" retaining talented and experienced employees.
 
Automatic Monkey

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Gamblor said:
Better off to assume in general that our opponents are smart and dedicated. But of course in reality this is often not the case. Just need to think through how most companies hire and treat their employees, its "expensive" retaining talented and experienced employees.
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They are psychologically different from us because they chose the low-skill, low-reward, low-ambition path of a career in a casino. We chose the high-risk, high-reward, the-more-skill-the-better path on the other side of the table. That's why the only ones who ever appear to be decent people to us are some of the dealers, a lot of them do not consider that their career and they are just doing it to pay bills while they aspire to something better.
 
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