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[mjbballar23]

I don't recall saying that it ever spirals hopelessly downward unless I used Surrender or increased on any other hand but a BJ. No sir! It goes down very slowly and then when the winnings come it comes in a surge! On my Hoyle BJ game it shows how good your session is. I can easily win $800+ in a short period of time. I just started at $1000, went down to $150 and then surged up to $1400 in a test I just ran!

Licentia.

Licentia,

If your so confident in your system why dont you sell everything you own and try out your system in Reno or Wendover(your fabulous single deck games). If you system is as good as you say it is, you should be on the road to riches right?

Stop trying to convince us that your system works and hit the tables. I dont understand why you waste your time playing for fake money when you could be out making thousands of dollars at real blackjack tables!

 

[Sonny]

I don't recall saying that it ever spirals hopelessly downward unless I used Surrender or increased on any other hand but a BJ. No sir!

My mistake. I was remembering your Roulette progression system not your BJ progression systems (there have been 3 of them right? The first 2 you admit were failures. And you had a system for Poker if I recall). Besides, I remember you saying that you never used surrender. I mean, you didn’t even know what it was two weeks ago:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=9885

I guess it doesn’t matter though. The end result will be the same no matter what progression system you use. As I said, any system based on a fallacy is a bad bet. You've already said that you are aware that progression systems do not work, so I really don't unerstand what you're trying to accomplish here.

-Sonny-

 

[Licentia]

My mistake. I was remembering your Roulette progression system not your BJ progression systems (there have been 3 of them right? The first 2 you admit were failures. And you had a system for Poker if I recall). Besides, I remember you saying that you never used surrender. I mean, you didn’t even know what it was two weeks ago:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=9885

I guess it doesn’t matter though. The end result will be the same no matter what progression system you use. As I said, any system based on a fallacy is a bad bet. You've already said that you are aware that progression systems do not work, so I really don't unerstand what you're trying to accomplish here.

-Sonny-

The first thing I offered was dumb and I realized it immediately. The second thing I offered and stand behind to this day, and have played through thousands of cycles of losing and recouperating my losses without fail was my 1st Strategy as I called it. The 2nd strategy which I thought I could apply to both Poker and BJ, didn't work.

I already explained why it isn't a progression system, because it has an Outside Indicator. Card counting, Hole-Carding, etc.. are strategies without Outside Indicators. It's a point apart from wins and losses that tells you when to increase or decrease your bet.

If you read that thread above you will see clearly that I know full well what Surrender is and that the games I play offer Early Surrender vs a 10. Depending on how I play my system I can use Surrender.

It is not a progression system, it works endlessly. Even if it could possibly fail after repeated thousands of cycles I would be so far ahead now money wise in testing that I could cut my losses and play another 100,000 hands and go through another 10,000 or so cycles without fail.

Like I said, the cycle I went through yesterday, using Early Surrender vs a 10 went through a loss win cycle from $1000 down to $150 and up to $1400. I have repeated the experiment of losing and regaining losses with a profit on top probably 10,000 times by now without it ever failing once.

A cycle in 6 deck at it's worst takes about 1000-1500 hands to complete - like the nasty cycle I played through yesterday - but the cycles are usually done in many less hands, like 200-300. That is a cycle and the cycle is complete. There is no long term with a cycle. 10,000 cycles of dropping below $1000 and recouperating all losses with a profit on top. How in the world that can fail long term is beyond my comprehension! It makes no sense!

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

very simple, has never failed, no possibility of failing long term because the cycles are very, very short term.

Licentia.

 

[Licentia]

My mistake. I was remembering your Roulette progression system not your BJ progression systems (there have been 3 of them right? The first 2 you admit were failures. And you had a system for Poker if I recall). Besides, I remember you saying that you never used surrender. I mean, you didn’t even know what it was two weeks ago:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=9885

I guess it doesn’t matter though. The end result will be the same no matter what progression system you use. As I said, any system based on a fallacy is a bad bet. You've already said that you are aware that progression systems do not work, so I really don't unerstand what you're trying to accomplish here.

-Sonny-

The first thing I offered was dumb and I realized it immediately. The second thing I offered and stand behind to this day, and have played through thousands of cycles of losing and recouperating my losses without fail was my 1st Strategy as I called it. The 2nd strategy which I thought I could apply to both Poker and BJ, didn't work.

I already explained why it isn't a progression system, because it has an Outside Indicator. Card counting, Hole-Carding, etc.. are strategies which use Outside Indicators. It's a point apart from wins and losses that tells you when to increase or decrease your bet.

If you read that thread above you will see clearly that I know full well what Surrender is and that the games I play offer Early Surrender vs a 10. Depending on how I play my system I can use Surrender.

It is not a progression system, it works endlessly. Even if it could possibly fail after repeated thousands of cycles I would be so far ahead now money wise in testing that I could cut my losses and play another 100,000 hands and go through another 10,000 or so cycles without fail.

Like I said, the cycle I went through yesterday, using Early Surrender vs a 10 went through a loss win cycle from $1000 down to $150 and up to $1400. I have repeated the experiment of losing and regaining losses with a profit on top probably 10,000 times by now without it ever failing once.

A cycle in 6 deck at it's worst takes about 1000-1500 hands to complete - like the nasty cycle I played through yesterday - but the cycles are usually done in many less hands, like 200-300. That is a cycle and the cycle is complete. There is no long term with a cycle. 10,000 cycles of dropping below $1000 and recouperating all losses with a profit on top. How in the world that can fail long term is beyond my comprehension! It makes no sense!

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

very simple, has never failed, no possibility of failing long term because the cycles are very, very short term.

Licentia.

 

[Sonny]

I already explained why it isn't a progression system, because it has an Outside Indicator. Card counting, Hole-Carding, etc.. are strategies which use Outside Indicators. It's a point apart from wins and losses that tells you when to increase or decrease your bet.

Please tell me you’re joking. Please, please, please tell me you’re not serious. Please tell me you haven’t ignored every article I showed you. Please tell me you haven’t skipped over every link I gave you. Please tell me you didn’t disregard every question we’ve asked you. Please tell me you haven’t stubbornly rejected all the information we’ve given you. Please tell me you haven’t dismissed all the help that we’ve tried to give you. Please tell me you haven’t wasted our time with every word you write. Please don’t tell me you haven’t learned a single thing since you’ve been here. Please tell me you haven’t wasted the past 9 months of your life. Please, please, please tell me you are not seriously that stupid.

We have explained numerous times why your system uses internal indicators, not external ones. I mean, you’re counting the number of blackjacks you get and comparing it to the number of blackjacks that the dealer gets. That is exactly the same as counting the number of wins and comparing it to the number of losses. They are both internal indicators because they are counting the number of wins. They are not based on anything external. Your system is also based on the size of your bankroll, which is based on the wins and losses you experience. Counting your bankroll is the same as counting your wins and losses because they are directly related.

To make things worse, you are applying the most famous fallacy to your system. Even if your counting system did work (which it doesn’t), your betting system still wouldn’t work. Both systems are fatally flawed. They will not work individually and they certainly will not work together. You are changing the size of your bets based on the outcome of the hands. That is the definition of a progression system.

If you want to keep working on your little progression system despite the numerous and obvious flaws which have been repeatedly pointed out to you, go right ahead. Just don’t waste our time with the same old nonsense you’ve been saying since your first post. Unless you have something new to add, don’t expect these repetitive posts to last very long.

-Sonny-

 

[mjbballar23]

The first thing I offered was dumb and I realized it immediately. The second thing I offered and stand behind to this day, and have played through thousands of cycles of losing and recouperating my losses without fail was my 1st Strategy as I called it. The 2nd strategy which I thought I could apply to both Poker and BJ, didn't work.

I already explained why it isn't a progression system, because it has an Outside Indicator. Card counting, Hole-Carding, etc.. are strategies which use Outside Indicators. It's a point apart from wins and losses that tells you when to increase or decrease your bet.

If you read that thread above you will see clearly that I know full well what Surrender is and that the games I play offer Early Surrender vs a 10. Depending on how I play my system I can use Surrender.

It is not a progression system, it works endlessly. Even if it could possibly fail after repeated thousands of cycles I would be so far ahead now money wise in testing that I could cut my losses and play another 100,000 hands and go through another 10,000 or so cycles without fail.

Like I said, the cycle I went through yesterday, using Early Surrender vs a 10 went through a loss win cycle from $1000 down to $150 and up to $1400. I have repeated the experiment of losing and regaining losses with a profit on top probably 10,000 times by now without it ever failing once.

A cycle in 6 deck at it's worst takes about 1000-1500 hands to complete - like the nasty cycle I played through yesterday - but the cycles are usually done in many less hands, like 200-300. That is a cycle and the cycle is complete. There is no long term with a cycle. 10,000 cycles of dropping below $1000 and recouperating all losses with a profit on top. How in the world that can fail long term is beyond my comprehension! It makes no sense!

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

lose money
win more money than I lost
cycle complete

very simple, has never failed, no possibility of failing long term because the cycles are very, very short term.

Licentia.

Licentia keep your innovative systems to yourself. You dont want the casinos to find out about them and bar you from playing. Why are you so insistant on trying to convince us your system is good? You seem very confident that your system is fool proof now go hit the real tables and make your fortune. Good Luck! (oh wait you dont need it cause your system always works!)

 

[Mr. T]

Please tell me you’re joking. Please, please, please tell me you’re not serious. Please tell me you haven’t ignored every article I showed you. Please tell me you haven’t skipped over every link I gave you. Please tell me you didn’t disregard every question we’ve asked you. Please tell me you haven’t stubbornly rejected all the information we’ve given you. Please tell me you haven’t dismissed all the help that we’ve tried to give you. Please tell me you haven’t wasted our time with every word you write. Please don’t tell me you haven’t learned a single thing since you’ve been here. Please tell me you haven’t wasted the past 9 months of your life. Please, please, please tell me you are not seriously that stupid.

We have explained numerous times why your system uses internal indicators, not external ones. I mean, you’re counting the number of blackjacks you get and comparing it to the number of blackjacks that the dealer gets. That is exactly the same as counting the number of wins and comparing it to the number of losses. They are both internal indicators because they are counting the number of wins. They are not based on anything external. Your system is also based on the size of your bankroll, which is based on the wins and losses you experience. Counting your bankroll is the same as counting your wins and losses because they are directly related.

To make things worse, you are applying the most famous fallacy to your system. Even if your counting system did work (which it doesn’t), your betting system still wouldn’t work. Both systems are fatally flawed. They will not work individually and they certainly will not work together. You are changing the size of your bets based on the outcome of the hands. That is the definition of a progression system.

If you want to keep working on your little progression system despite the numerous and obvious flaws which have been repeatedly pointed out to you, go right ahead. Just don’t waste our time with the same old nonsense you’ve been saying since your first post. Unless you have something new to add, don’t expect these repetitive posts to last very long.

-Sonny-

Relax, relax, relax, Sonny.

The guy is just trying to throwing your balls up in the air and juggling with it. Don't take him too seroiusly.

 

[bj bob]

We have explained numerous times why your system uses internal indicators, not external ones. I mean, you’re counting the number of blackjacks you get and comparing it to the number of blackjacks that the dealer gets. That is exactly the same as counting the number of wins and comparing it to the number of losses. They are both internal indicators because they are counting the number of wins. They are not based on anything external. Your system is also based on the size of your bankroll, which is based on the wins and losses you experience. Counting your bankroll is the same as counting your wins and losses because they are directly related.


-Sonny-

Licentia,
I've got to agree with Sonny on this one, although I would reverse his terminology of "external" and "internal" indicators. In my opinion the history of past hands/shoes is an external indicator, meaning that past results have nothing to do with the deck compostion at hand. It's just like counting ashtrays on the table...meaningless.
"Internal" indicators are actual present conditions of remaining deck composition, e.g. suppose you are palying off the top of a DD game and the first 10 cards dealt out are all 5's and 6's. I can bet you that the rest of the shoe will tend to be highly profitable. As for your proposed indicators, you have interestingly picked BJ hands to change your bets and raising bets after losses (if I remember your system correctly) the logic of which I do not understand. If you insist upon indicators you would probably be better served to play SD and raising your bet after every double down hand and small split hand, while dropping or resetting your bets after ANY blackjack. If you're lucky that may get you closer to a positive EV. Who knows? I'm just thinking along with you "outside" the shoe here.
Lastly, stay away from using history as an indicator, as Sonny said it'll kill you. Now go. Book your flight to Reno. Play 100 hours with your system, take meticulous records and then get back to us.

 

[callipygian]

I can easily win $800+ in a short period of time.

So can I. I plunk down $800 on the table, and 43% of the time I'm up $800 in less than 1 minute - a win rate of $48,000 per hour!

Of course, about 49% of the time, I'm down $800 in less than a minute, but in those cases I just keep playing until I'm back up to +$800.

This system can't possibly fail.

 

[Licentia]

Anyway, I am tired of arguing about this. I will ensure that in time Sonny and any other doubters will see me play with their own eyes.

Licentia.