Triple Down?

[Kasi]

And felony jail time at worst.

I'm surprised he even mentioned it. He might think it's legal to place your double bet on top of original bet after the dealer upcard is shown and after your original bet has been made and hope you get away with it, (I think that's what he says) but what makes him think, it's somehow legal is beyond me.

 

[dangeroso]

And felony jail time at worst.

I'm surprised he even mentioned it. He might think it's legal to place your double bet on top of original bet after the dealer upcard is shown and after your original bet has been made and hope you get away with it, (I think that's what he says) but what makes him think, it's somehow legal is beyond me.

Agreed. I will add, however, that he does mention that you place your first double beside the original bet. How a dealer would miss that, I'm not sure.

 

[moo321]

I don't think discussing bet capping is really appropriate in this forum. It is clearly illegal, and is in the same category as marking cards or mucking.

 

[Kasi]

he does mention that you place your first double beside the original bet.

Actually I think he says to place your first double bet on top of your original bet hoping the dealer will not notice you increased your original bet when he gets around to your hand. This works best when sitting at 3rd base.

If he does he just assumes you're an idiot and places the double beside your original amount. Probably tells you how to do it right. If he doesn't notice, then he's waiting for you to double your "original" bet allowing you to be betting 4X of original wager.

I doubt if you'll end up in prison if you only do it once.

So, to me, either way, it's bet capping and just bad karma whether you get away with it or not.

Others, including, apparently, Bryce Carlson, may perceive it as an "advantage play" and a legitimate technique to occasionally employ. Perhaps it is on the edge.

Perhaps it's as illegal as knowingly accepting a higher payoff by the dealer when he has made a mistake. I think it's illegal for casinos to pay off more than allowed by the rules and illegal for you to knowingly accept it. When this happens are you and the dealer in collusion or was it a mistake? It would look the same to the "eye in the sky" wouldn't it. What if he makes 3 mistakes an hour and they just happen to all be on big bets and the casino finds out. Willl they just want their money back or arrest you and the dealer?

Is the only difference the lilklihood of perhaps being caught?

 

[Kasi]

I don't think discussing bet capping is really appropriate in this forum. It is clearly illegal, and is in the same category as marking cards or mucking.

I don't see why discussing cheating techniques by casinos or players should be a banned topic. I don't think anybody is advocating cheating. If they do, they're gone. Remember poor Bob? Although I do think I remember reading somewhere recently here that someone here actually appeared, to me anyway, to actually be advocating bet capping, I guess as some sort of "AP" play, and I found that a little, I don't know what, but "crossing the line" somehow. Maybe it only fell into this same category of "occasional cheating is OK if you can get away with it" category.

Some may not know what's illegal or not and learn something. Some areas do appear to be "grey" and why shouldn't that be discussed? Like I don't even know what mucking is offhand.

Casinos can mark cards as well as players and use that to advantage. Is it inappropriate to discuss how that can effect a player and what to look out for? Or only if the player marks them?

Maybe now, discussing the "quadruple double down" play as we have, some casino PB is reading this and warns his dealers to check out the 3rd base bet more carefully and that play never happens again going forward and the world has just become a more honest place lol.

I know what you're saying and I think we're probably on the same page of dicussing cheating versus advocating it.

If I'm right that we are on the same page you'll reply to my question of what do you think you would you do if you saw a guy trying this quadruple dbl down play? Tell the house? Tell the player privately, please don't do it again? Leave the table? Nothing? If he did it 5 times? I once sat by a guy who capped several bets over time and had no idea what to do. I took the course of least resistance and just left the table. Perhaps shame on me. Perhaps no perhaps about it.

 

[zengrifter]

I don't think discussing bet capping is really appropriate in this forum. It is clearly illegal, and is in the same category as marking cards or mucking.

We shouldn't discuss cheating?? Whaaa? zg

 

[zengrifter]

I don't think anybody is advocating cheating. If they do, they're gone. Remember poor Bob?

SilentB advocated cheating? zg

 

[Kasi]

SilentB advocated cheating? zg

Well I meant whoever the guy was that nakedly solicited BJ software so he wouldn't have to pay for it. I think maybe it was Norm's.

Maybe just a different and more common kind of cheating? Maybe not cheating, just illegal?

And maybe it was that he almost seemed to think there was nothing wrong with it and kept trying to rationalize it over several posts, I think.

So maybe had he only asked once and after being warned that was against the rules, and never did it again, everything would be OK.

Maybe like the 4X DD player who would probably be arrested if he did it often enough but once or twice is OK lol.

So what do you think of trying the 4X DD gambit only once in a situation you think it will work? "AP" play or "cheating".

That is, if we're allowed to discuss whether that initial bet cap, and I don't think there's any other thing to calll it, do you even agree with that?, involved in that play "crosses the line" or not lol.

 

[jack.jackson]

Fair warning

Casinos/dealers are AWARE of the Quaddruple down.

 

[dangeroso]

I apologize if I have broken any rules of the forum by mentioning this. To clarify, I'm not advocating actually doing this. I read about it in Blackjack for Blood, and was passing along this knowledge on the basis of having found it interesting.

 

[El Gordo]

It seems like an interesting topic.

 

[moo321]

I don't see why discussing cheating techniques by casinos or players should be a banned topic. I don't think anybody is advocating cheating. If they do, they're gone. Remember poor Bob? Although I do think I remember reading somewhere recently here that someone here actually appeared, to me anyway, to actually be advocating bet capping, I guess as some sort of "AP" play, and I found that a little, I don't know what, but "crossing the line" somehow. Maybe it only fell into this same category of "occasional cheating is OK if you can get away with it" category.

Some may not know what's illegal or not and learn something. Some areas do appear to be "grey" and why shouldn't that be discussed? Like I don't even know what mucking is offhand.

Casinos can mark cards as well as players and use that to advantage. Is it inappropriate to discuss how that can effect a player and what to look out for? Or only if the player marks them?

Maybe now, discussing the "quadruple double down" play as we have, some casino PB is reading this and warns his dealers to check out the 3rd base bet more carefully and that play never happens again going forward and the world has just become a more honest place lol.

I know what you're saying and I think we're probably on the same page of dicussing cheating versus advocating it.

If I'm right that we are on the same page you'll reply to my question of what do you think you would you do if you saw a guy trying this quadruple dbl down play? Tell the house? Tell the player privately, please don't do it again? Leave the table? Nothing? If he did it 5 times? I once sat by a guy who capped several bets over time and had no idea what to do. I took the course of least resistance and just left the table. Perhaps shame on me. Perhaps no perhaps about it.

Mucking is when you keep a card somewhere (up sleeve, in a holdout device, in jacket, etc.) and switch it into a game that's dealt face down. Very strong advantage, very hard to detect a skilled cheat doing it. Common in poker games, too.

 

[Kasi]

Mucking is when you keep a card somewhere (up sleeve, in a holdout device, in jacket, etc.) and switch it into a game that's dealt face down. Very strong advantage, very hard to detect a skilled cheat doing it. Common in poker games, too.

Thanks moo. Now I know.

Guess that's a move you if get caught even once you either get shot or go to jail lol.

 

[moo321]

Thanks moo. Now I know.

Guess that's a move you if get caught even once you either get shot or go to jail lol.

Yes. Usually if you get caught doing it in a home poker game you're just gonna get the ass-beating of a lifetime. But if the money's big enough, or you mess with the wrong drug dealer, you could get shot or stabbed.