Vegas condition needed

[ningtong88]

I am going to Vegas the week before Christmas. I do have the monthly CBJN, but I find them to be somewhat misleading from time to time. Example, last time I was at Wynn, I didn't find any S17 table at $25min, but the cbjn stated otherwise. This time, I will be playing at Wynn/Encore, MB, Venetian/Palazzo, & possibilly Bellagio/Aria. Could anyone tell me the current conditions for them? I am looking at $25 or $50 min S17 tables. I won't be going off strip this time as my GF wants to do some shopping. Thanks.

 

[nicetrades200303]

MB and Bellagio

Don’t waste your time at Wynn/Encore and Palazzo/Venetian.

MB and Bellagio have 2D S17 games with decent pen.

 

[jingber05]

i thought MB changed their s17 DD to h17? i dont remember seeing any s17 DD on the main floor when i was there in June. Maybe in HL. At mirage however they do have a few s17 DD on the main floor. u might want to check that out.

 

[BJgenius007]

Don’t waste your time at Wynn/Encore and Palazzo/Venetian.

MB and Bellagio have 2D S17 games with decent pen.

With $100 table minimal in day time and higher at night.

 

[paddywhack]

You looking for shoe or DD info??

 

[ningtong88]

Thanks for all the response, guys! I am looking for both shoe and DD. CBJN states that Bellagio offers $25min DD S17 ls rsa .7 deck cut off, is that accurate? Also I heard venetian offers $100 min 6D S17 ls rsa decent pen, is it true also? We probablly will be staying at Wynn/Encore, that's why I wanted to know about Wynn. I do agree Wynn's game is medicore at best, but if that's where we are staying, I may be playing over there a little bit, but $300 min bet for a good game at Wynn is way too much, I can handle $100 at most. I need to find places where there are good stores for my GF to look around, I don't want her to watch me playing as she gets uncomfortable when I have big bets out. Last time she watched me playing, I got 4 BJ in a row at a high count, I couldn't press my bets up all the way because she thought it was too much. I will be going during weekdays, so do you think I will get to see decent games at reduced min in these casinos? Thanks again!

 

[paddywhack]

Bellagio: No LS on the DD. Good luck finding mins less than $50 even in the mornings. Nearly always $100.

Venetian $100 mins: Last I looked pen was about 75% on the 6D with s17, DAS, LS, RSA.

 

[ningtong88]

Bellagio: No LS on the DD. Good luck finding mins less than $50 even in the mornings. Nearly always $100.

Venetian $100 mins: Last I looked pen was about 75% on the 6D with s17, DAS, LS, RSA.

I can handle $50 to $100 min. I just wanted to make sure CBJN was right, but it turned out it is not right. Good thing I asked you all first. Thanks.

 

[Solo player]

Don’t waste your time at Wynn/Encore and Palazzo/Venetian.

MB and Bellagio have 2D S17 games with decent pen.

Mb has one table of s17 dd 100$ in hi-limit. Main floor 4 tables h17 dd 25$-50$ mins.

 

[kewljason]

Mb has one table of s17 dd 100$ in hi-limit. Main floor 4 tables h17 dd 25$-50$ mins.

BUT, MB is one of many places that their really is a big difference, heat-wise in playing the HL vs the main floor. This is an important part of the equation for me.

 

[Solo player]

BUT, MB is one of many places that their really is a big difference, heat-wise in playing the HL vs the main floor. This is an important part of the equation for me.

I always take a pass on the hi-limit game.

 

[kewljason]

I always take a pass on the hi-limit game.

Me 2, Solo player! I walk by and see a great game with a .18% house advantage. But, no one is playing. The dealer and 3 pit folks are standing and waiting. To me the odds of that game are worse than if it was 6-5! :laugh:

I am not looking for the best game that I can win the most from in the next 20 minutes. I am looking for a decent game that I can beat today, but still be welcome back to win again going forward, later in the week, next week and next month.

 

[jingber05]

ive walked by and see the HL DD game be as high as 500min...

 

[paddywhack]

I walk by and see a great game with a .18% house advantage. But, no one is playing. The dealer and 3 pit folks are standing and waiting.

Not an uncommon occurrence in those HL games. When the pit outnumbers the players it's NEVER good.

 

[chichow]

Me 2, Solo player! I walk by and see a great game with a .18% house advantage. But, no one is playing. The dealer and 3 pit folks are standing and waiting. To me the odds of that game are worse than if it was 6-5! :laugh:

I am not looking for the best game that I can win the most from in the next 20 minutes. I am looking for a decent game that I can beat today, but still be welcome back to win again going forward, later in the week, next week and next month.

I've played both the main floor and HL at MB. It is truly truly a huge difference in heat. Often there is a pit boss staring at the game the whole time in HL. Only sometimes is there a pit boss split between two tables in HL.

strictly from a rules perspective, it is a nice game.

 

[chichow]

I can handle $50 to $100 min. I just wanted to make sure CBJN was right, but it turned out it is not right. Good thing I asked you all first. Thanks.

There are significant differences between playing $50 - $100 mins for DD in Vegas. I only mentioning this point since I am reading casualness in your post, but I could be completely wrong.

A reasonable 1-6 spread at DD puts you into purple territory when playing $100 mins. Purple scrutiny is much higher than black scrutiny.

Many conservative AP's would say 20k is a decent bankroll for $25 mins...so $50 - $100 mins requires proportionally more $$$

Then again maybe your asian so you heat levels will be lower.

 

[BJgenius007]

There are significant differences between playing $50 - $100 mins for DD in Vegas. I only mentioning this point since I am reading casualness in your post, but I could be completely wrong.

A reasonable 1-6 spread at DD puts you into purple territory when playing $100 mins. Purple scrutiny is much higher than black scrutiny.

Many conservative AP's would say 20k is a decent bankroll for $25 mins...so $50 - $100 mins requires proportionally more $$$

Then again maybe your asian so you heat levels will be lower.

No, 20K is the required bankroll for $5 min shoe game and $10 min DD game.

50k is the required bankroll for $25 min DD game.

 

[Zerg]

No, 20K is the required bankroll for $5 min shoe game and $10 min DD game.

50k is the required bankroll for $25 min DD game.

I disagree. In my opinion you should be playing full Kelly until you hit $25 tables. You say 13% ROR. I say 87% chance of success!

 

[kewljason]

I disagree. In my opinion you should be playing full Kelly until you hit $25 tables. You say 13% ROR. I say 87% chance of success!

RoR is only part of the issue. Playing full Kelly means big swings. For an inexperienced player this can be difficult to deal with mentally and can result in improper betting patterns like over betting (chasing loses) and under betting (scared money).

 

[chichow]

No, 20K is the required bankroll for $5 min shoe game and $10 min DD game.

50k is the required bankroll for $25 min DD game.

*Sigh*

How can you be so absolute in what you say without knowing bet ramps or wonging or even what is considered a unit (ref. previous poll and discussion about what is a unit)?

Regardless whether or not we say is 20k or 50k, if you take a quick 3 minute look at the OP's posts (there aren't that many), you'll see that its highly unlikely that the OP has either a 20k or 50k bankroll for $25 min, much less the $50 - $100 min games that he/she thinks he/she can play.