Victoria, this one's especially for you

Stealth Bomber

Well-Known Member
Recently I played about 16 hours at a busy Indian casino. Dropped a large chunk within the first 2 hours. Decided that I would take a little more risk on my cover and went into a wonging and back-counting mode exclusively. I told myself that given there were so many 6D open tables, I wouldn't even play one hand if the TC wasn't at least 1 or better. Little did I realize, this would be the most frustrating and toughest wonging/back-counting marathon session in my life. I wish I could have kept track of how many new shoes I counted. I would estimate that I started to count into at least 100 shoes. What's so amazing and the reason for so many is; I only got about 8 - 10 tables in 14 hours where the shoe went positive enough to be able to play at 1TC or better.

I have to keep reminding myself, it's just another swing of weird variance. But still, go figure, at least 100 shoes? Almost all of the 6D was hand shuffled. At least I was fortunate enough to play at 8 - 10 tables while on the positive side of zero. Got all the $ back + a little more. Went home wondering 'why do I do this to myself'?
 

Victoria

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Re: Victoria, this one's especially for you/the wonderful world of Indian Casinos

Stealth

Guess you remember my post about aces and faces seemingly heavy off the top of every shoe. I can only now agree with everyone that it was just weird variance. Been back to the same place several times and have had normal counts, unusually good shoes, and like you (and yesterday also) what seems like 90% negative shoes. Frustration at never seemingly getting a good count magnifies everything. We may count cards and use math but somewhere along the line human nature catches up with us.

Yesterday it must have been amateur hour at the nearby Indian Casino. We must of had a 5 minute or longer conversation about buying houses between a dealer, her replacement and a ploppy without a card drawn. Dealers talking to each other from table to table slowing down the game. Many inexperienced dealers who not only dealt super slow but made mistakes all over the place. Real annoying habits like when a dealer shows his hole card for a total of 11 and then goes into a suspense mode with a long slow dramatic draw of the next card.
I would bet when I could not get to a table that just cleared out the ploppies, I must have averaged a whopping 30 or less hands per hour.
Some mistakes

Twice after busting and putting a next bet up early the dealer tried to take this bet also. Three times I was paid when the dealer beat me and twice when we pushed. The best one was when she paid the table. I am at 3rd with a 20, dealer has 8,5 pulls an 8, thinks she busts and pays everyone with a pit (I am believing the pit here is also clueless) critter looking over her shoulder and counting chips in the tray. On another hand, the woman next to me forgot to put chips in the circle and the dealer passes her by and I land up with a natural. The ploppy begins to go insane and wants to now put up a bet,and have the cards moved around. Pit comes over and instead of just saying that if there is no bet in the circle, there is nothing he can do, he is trying to find a solution. I just tell him, "do what you want but I expect to get paid for the natural", I think he realized finally then that his easiest solution, especially since the dealer was showing a stiff and everyone would be upset, was to play the hand out. I just found the whole thing unbelieveable that this guy would even consider anything except what happened, the woman did not play that hand. Now they expanded recently, most of their dealers had Vegas experience but they have hired a ton of new ones without experience who are being trained by?????????? Since they used to be in one of those big tents before expanding, I can only guess that the pit was trained by Bozo.

As long as I am on a roll with their procedures, here's another one. Dealer forgets to burn a card and deals the hands. She calls the pit. Dealer showing 10, pit gives us the choice of playing or not. Seems OK but about two hours later same thing happens except now dealer is showing a 4 and most players have strong hands, there's a BJ, and a double down possible also. Pit says, we have to burn the whole hand. I stop him and tell him what happened before and point out his supervisor who have us the option. It takes forever but we do play the hand. About 10 minutes later I get a tap on the shoulder and am asked if I am Victoria (just knew they were throwing my butt out of there) and it is the supervisor giving me a comp to their new restaurant. Go figure.
 

Stealth Bomber

Well-Known Member
It's like flipping a coin and it lands wrong 80%

...asked if I am Victoria

I'm concerned about you. You may want to start calling yourself 'Vic' while on this board. Only we will still be able to see the beautiful rose with soft peddles in the background. Or should I say 'saber tooth tiger'?

Thanks for your stories. It's good to know that I'm not the only one who gets all this kind of crap.

I'm still counting more negative numbers at a certain Indian casino than positive. What I don't understand is it's supposed to be like a flip of the coin. It's harder counting negative so much; m52, m54, m96, m237 ... yuk. It doesn't matter how the 6 deck pack is cut. It still seems to run more big cards off the top. I'm forever DOOMED! Ya know, maybe they're so stupid where I play that they put extra big cards in the pack thinking it is to their advantage. Hmmmmm, if it keeps happening, I will consider betting more all the time. I notice also that the ploppies seem to be doing better than me. I'm always betting min, while they are chunking their bets. Go figure! Some times the dealers think I'm an idiot for not jumping on 'the streak' while they're running cold.
 

eyesfor21

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relax Victoria. they do'nt kick out gals

okay , maybe they do buts its pretty rare. Have you
been booted?
If not they forget all the wasted cover plays,like most players
just play and win..
 

Victoria

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Re: relax Victoria. they do'nt kick out gals

Eyes

I do not use much, if any, cover in that place. Been spreading $25-$250 and have learned that if I put up two blacks and two greens you generally do not even hear "checks play" but put up 10 greens and you hear it every time, or even 6 or 7. I think I will try like 20 reds one time just for a reaction.

Obviously, their poor procedure and lack of training are things I can take advantage of at times. They could hire any AP who has as much experience as I have and run the game tons of times better and I mean make more money. They have some of the worst players I have ever imagined, the rules are not good, H17 and no surrender, they are in an affluent area and the biggest improvement would be to get more hands per hour dealt. Thing is, with their bad players and bad machines they are probably already making more money than they ever imagined.

I have never been tossed or told no more BJ. My biggest cover (can't fool a computer) is the ability to talk to players, dealer and make friends with the pit while the cards are being dealt. Do I fool everyone, no. I have been half shoed in 3 places which is like saying something like, "we might be embarrased tossing a woman, so we will very quietly show you that we want you to go." It works but I have been back to one of those places (different shift) without incidence. There are only two places in Vegas where I do vary things more for cover and even play some VP because of comps, everywhere else I just play short sessions or get a hint. This place is close by and I do play long sessions.
If gals have an advantage (in this case we do) why not take advantage of it.
 
Re: It's like flipping a coin and it lands wrong 80%

Consider yourself fortunate. At least when the counts are bad you're not betting and not losing a lot. Try getting great counts all night and still losing. Very frustrating, very destructive, very common.
 

Stealth Bomber

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I'm having a much bigger prob than fighting the game & PC's

Try getting great counts all night and still losing.

Believe me A.M., I'm there right now and I'm feeling the pain in more ways than money lately. Been biting dust on heavy bets with big number counts. The new fiancée is livid. She's worried that I'm compulsive. All she sees is small to medium loses on some bad variance. It's really not so bad. I'm only down 41.5 units for 38 hrs of play this year. That can be won back in 2.1 max bet hands. I know it's not a big deal. This has happened many times and a lot worse in my past. The more I try to defend it, the worse I look. Even got her to read "The Mayor's Wife" excerpt. She read about half of it and through it down. She thinks it's all just a scam and a ploy to allow us 'compulsive players' to get even deeper into our compulsive downward spiral. She saw me get sucked into a monster C with big hands while her 'intuition' said to bet small. I don't think I need to tell all of you who read this how that one ended. It still kills me every time I remind myself of the disagree/argument we had on her 'intuition'. One thing is for sure though, she liked the short period in the beginning when I was on a streak of positive variance.

Right now I'm effectively barred from every casino in the world due to the fiancee's lack of knowledge and understanding.

Talk about the need to win? Right here my friends. Not like there is any pressure. :)

Any BJ/Marriage Counselors want to provide some words of help and wisdom here? Please, please?
 

eyesfor21

Well-Known Member
gal problems/..

You are entitled to do what you want to do, if she
doesn't understand that,perhaps you have the wrong choice
in a gal. I'am sure she does things like
most gals that we don't like perhaps: wearing makeup,shopping,
not giving proper $^&^*(^&*^. You should take her to a
casino that kick out good players fast and then she may
realize that
you are the MAN.
 

LV Bear

Administrator
Bad news *LINK*

Right now I'm effectively barred from every casino in the world due to the fiancee's lack of knowledge and understanding.

On February 18, you posted:

Reno trip was fun with my new lady.

That was a quick transition from "new lady" to fiancee. You obviously ignored the advice I gave you before. I hope that your relationship can withstand the resentment you will eventually feel from having to give up something you want to do. I recall you posting earlier that you had planned to move to LV:

Planning to move to Vegas in the near future. Have a couple of "real job" type of businesses that will do well there. However, I do plan to make time for playing serious bj for $.

Best of luck to you.
 

Rob McGarvey

Well-Known Member
LV or Something Else?

Well at one point I too wanted to move to LV. I met a wonderful woman with two kids and gave up thinking about LV. My wife got a job with the Bank of America and they have an office in LV, so I mentioned getting a transfer. Even if she could swing it, the kids Father would have issues, and the kids could as well, but kids are often more flexible that you think they are. In the mean time I have been promoted at work to new heights and also have my onLine playing going on, so, in the end, everything has worked out to my advantage. Sometimes we wish or pray for one thing when what we really want is something else. Why do you want to move to LV? To play BJ? To make money? To find love, peace, and happiness? LV is not the answer.
 

Stealth Bomber

Well-Known Member
Re: Bad news

I won a few units while in Reno. It makes all the difference in the world when I'm on the topside. However, she affects my EV because I'm not free to play, wong, back-count and just pick up and leave like I did when I was not with her.

Had a quick Tahoe trip since Reno during which I dumped 57 units. I probably spent too much time trying to get back to even before we had to leave.
Fortunately, after being down for the trip as low as about 80 something units, I managed to get back to 57 down.

She watched me get slaughtered with four hands in a row. Two were at max as paper play and where the last of the shoe. The result looked quite devastating to her. The TC was 12 with one extra ace left in the pack. As soon as I put out the two max paper plays, she starts kicking my ankle and telling me not to do it and she has a bad feeling, I should listen to a woman's intuition, bla, bla etc. The cards come, D shows 6! I turn back with that certain little wink and look. As if to say; I told you so, just watch the pro in action baby-doll. Everyone else got the big cards but I was feeling okay with an 18 and a 19. Sure enough D has a 10 under then goes into slow motion mode, as I'm sure all of you have seen it. I start patting and rubbing the felt (cover move) while saying; "big one, face card". It's a f**k'n five. End of shoe. End of Tahoe trip. End of BJ career.

I'm 41.5 units down for the year.

I think given that fact that she knows I can't play at certain casinos, it puzzles her mind. But it also leads her to believe that, if in fact I'm so good at the game, I should win all the time.

Any words of wisdom besides leave her at home?
 

revereman

Well-Known Member
Re: Bad news

Dealing with spouses/significant others is where reality sets in and theory goes out the window. I happen to be married to an extraordinary woman who is very supportive of my gambling, but we got to that point because I was able to build up a bankroll that I keep separate from all other money. I don't bet the mortgage or college or whatever money. She plays some low level slots or some three card poker with a few hundred dollars I give her. If she loses $20 at slots, she won't play again for several hours or will not play at all if I am losing. Once my bet goes over $100, she can't watch anyway so she pretty much doesn't watch me anymore.
However, we always have at least 2 meals together and I try my best to go to sleep each night (often pretty late though). Each person and each couple is different, so compromise so you can both live with whatever agreement you can come to.
 

gehrig

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lv , leastwise clark county, *is* the answer...

with *all* your issues and a few others, to boot.
 

Victoria

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guy problems---not really

Guys, here we are in a tread that started- Victoria this is for you???? Getting a feeling it is not for me anymore.

My guy does not gamble, does not like the casino atmosphere and unless he is going to a convention does not go to Vegas. No problem really, he also does understand the math, knows I need my 2-3 Vegas fixes per year and a once a month thing with the Indians. With a young family that is perfect for me, more would be too much at this point. The fact that I inherited my initial bankroll made the money end easier and instead of increasing it and my bets, the profits have been invested which means "Eyes" I am the WOMAN. Had to throw that line in. Recently had an unbelievable positive varience day and took only about 20% of it into my bankroll, invested 50% and the rest went to golf clubs for my guy and a few trinkets for me.

The problem has nothing to do with men/women. I see two things. First a jealousy factor. The he loves blackjack more than me type thing, especially in a new relationship. The other, the perception that the house can not be beat and any regular gambler is compulsive and will eventually loose it all.

Taking one step away from partners. How many of you can even discuss being a counter with your friends, workmates or other family members without them getting the impression that you are just some compulsive gambler with a system that will eventually be your ruin. I think that one reason besides the sharing of information, that boards like this are popular, is that we get a chance to talk to folks who do understand here.

Now I got to think about something else. Do I need to start a counting board for women so we can b#%!# about our guys????

Victoria (having fun)
 

SammyBoy

Well-Known Member
Set Her Straight Before it is Too Late!

You need to let her know how things are going to be. She has to either accept you for who you are, or move on. I know this sounds cold, but I believe it is the truth. People do not change (well 99.9% do not). You may be able to conform to her wishes for a short period of time, but once the newness of the relationship wears off you will be back to doing what you want to do. She will get mad, you will get mad and there will be lots of resentment. I feel it is better to let her know what you expect up front, she can let you know what she expects and then try to reach a compromise that you can both stick to and live with. If you can't reach an agreement/understanding it is far better to end it now than after you get married, have kids and realize you are miserable.

Best wishes to you my friend.
 

Sohrab

Active Member
Re: I'm having a much bigger prob than fighting the game & PC's

If you seriously are asking for advise, I will give it. If not, sorry, don't read.

Many marriages fail because women think men will change and men think women will not change. She thinks you will give up blackjack and you think she will always be as beautiful as she is right now.

Truth is you love blackjack and she will grow old. If either cannot live with these truths marriage is a bad idea.

You say you have AP advantage and she does not believe you. If she does not trust you, what kind of marriage will you have? Even if you are losing money, why does she think you should stop doing what you love? If she loved you she would want you to be happy, not change you.

Yes, it helps to have a separate bankroll so she does not think you are losing the rent money. But you have a bigger problem I think.

Truely I think you should get marriage counselling before you marry. I am serious.
 

Stealth Bomber

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Re: Set Her Straight Before it is Too Late!

Thanks buddy for your support and suggestions. I'm just going to have to wrestle with it for a while 'til I figure out how to balance things.

S.B. you've got personal mail ol' bud.
 

ZOD

Well-Known Member
Words of Wisdom

Words of wisdom: Separate Accounts. Just like money set aside for college or retirement, your blackjack money is designated for a singular purpose. Once she really gets this idea, she probably won't care quite so much when you lose a few max bets.

Of course, the downside is that the blackjack account must stand on its own without being constantly added to from other sources. Hope you have lots of units :)

Best...
ZOD
 

Stealth Bomber

Well-Known Member
Re: gal problems/..

You should take her to a casino that kick out good players fast...

Hmmmm, maybe this is something I should consider. Maybe some out-of-the-way place. I'll play more just the way I want too with single deck and a 20 - 1 sread. When I get tossed, she might even feel sorry for me and encourage me to go to all the casinos and beat their azzes off too. :)
 
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