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[21forme]

I originally posted an amusing, sarcastic post, but dleted it. Enough is enough.

You two guys have been helping this blind man across the street for a long time, but I think you finally realize how pointless it is.

 

[KewlJ]

I originally posted an amusing, sarcastic post,

Well, THAT just doesn't sound like you.

You two guys have been helping this blind man across the street for a long time, but I think you finally realize how pointless it is.

You may have a point. I may stop helping the blind man cross the street, but I still don't have the desire to get in my car and intentionally back over him, like...well not saying any names.

 

[Red Parrot]

Zee, I was flat bet at a non-Vegas MGM property playing rated when I was first starting out. I had the same mindset as you and thought it would be an isolated incident. I tried playing rated in a Vegas MGM property a few months later and was flat bet there within ten minutes. Be careful.

 

[LC Larry]

He'll learn the hard way when security busts into his room at 3am and throws him out!

 

[hitthat16]

A flat bet is a back off. Sure, they didn’t literally say “no more blackjack”. They still don’t want you playing. You’ve been backed off.

 

[Good Guy]

Zee, I was flat bet at a non-Vegas MGM property playing rated when I was first starting out. I had the same mindset as you and thought it would be an isolated incident. I tried playing rated in a Vegas MGM property a few months later and was flat bet there within ten minutes. Be careful.

Your experience does not apply to Zee. You were backed off because you did not tell them that you only playing part time and more importantly you did not look like a doctor.
On a serious note, I can understand that he does not want to accept advice but why he never says Thank you for it. It takes time to write these posts for people trying to help.

 

[Ryemo]

I wrote this long extended posted and when I finished, I said “meh... fuck it,” and just deleted it.

I’m done leading this stupid horse to water.

 

[KewlJ]

A flat bet is a back off. Sure, they didn’t literally say “no more blackjack”. They still don’t want you playing. You’ve been backed off.

As is cutting the shoe in half. When the pit whispers in the dealers ear and the dealer cuts 3 decks (or more) off a 6 deck game when he had been cutting less than a one deck, you are being backed off. If you don't take the "polite" hint, they will do it officially for you.

 

[xengrifter]

Contrary to most of his critics in this thread, Zee shows right in the conclusion of his OP that he IS learning ...
...he deserves some acknowledgement, not further castigation -

Given all the comments on the other thread and this experience, I think I will play anonymously in the future.

 

[KewlJ]

Contrary to most of his critics in this thread, Zee shows right in the conclusion of his OP that he IS learning ...
...he deserves some acknowledgement, not further castigation -

I think this is a fair point, Zg. (or Xg),

Back in the day of this site's "prime", 8- 9 years ago, when I was asking a lot of question and getting a lot of great advice from experienced members (and some not-so-great advice as well), one of the 'veteran' members Blackjack Avenger noted that whenever someone said or advised something that I didn't particularly want to hear, I would argue and put up a fight. But then several weeks or months later, I would have adopted that same advice into my play.

conclusion: sometimes it just takes a little while for things to sink in and to accept things that you may not want to hear.

 

[Meistro]

I remember one time at Century Casino in Edmonton the pit boss half shoed me. I was staying in the hotel and putting in a ton of volume there. He actually made a point of commenting loudly to the dealer "cut the shoe in half" so I would get the hint.

 

[ZeeBabar]

I am not sure what all this fuss is about. They flat bet me at one casino. I am trying to see what happens at a sister casino. Maybe they will flat bet me there too, maybe they will ask me to leave and just maybe they might not even know or care about the flat bet decision made at a smaller casino. Maybe they will let me play and do their own evaluation. Why is everybody having a cow?

At one casino in my home state, where I play with card, one pit guy whispered to the dealer and she started cutting the DD deck by 2/3 on one occasion. I left. Since then, I have avoided that pit guy, still play at the same casino and have won a few thousand from them since then. That particular dealer likes me, still cuts less than half a deck when dealing to me, does not change anything.

My point is that sometimes these flat bet decisions are localized and may not apply elsewhere.

 

[Red Parrot]

Maybe they will let me play and do their own evaluation.

And what do you think will happen when they do their evaluation?

 

[ZeeBabar]

And what do you think will happen when they do their evaluation?

They will realize what the forum already believes, that I am a lousy counter, that wins are mostly variance and the beat goes on.

Seriously, you either go down fighting or you assume you have lost and stand on a 16 vs an Ace.

 

[ZenKinG]

zee just be happy you got your bankroll to over 50k. Im 10x the player you are and im 10x the counter of anyone else on these forums, but yet I run worse than anyone. God hates me, casinos cheat me, math hates me, it's just constant adversity. Count your blessings, you guys have no idea what it means to be cursed. Anyone else would've jumped off a bridge by now, but I'm used to this. Life would just be too easy if I had even half the luck of a normal person.

 

[Meistro]

16 v A is a stand at +3 in a H17 game.

 

[ZeeBabar]

For longevity purposes, I stand on 16 vs. Ace. If I have more money on table, it's likely a stand anyway as count would be positive and in rare cases where, with a minimum bet out, absence of heat, I might hit.

 

[ZeeBabar]

zee just be happy you got your bankroll to over 50k. Im 10x the player you are and im 10x the counter of anyone else on these forums, but yet I run worse than anyone. God hates me, casinos cheat me, math hates me, it's just constant adversity. Count your blessings, you guys have no idea what it means to be cursed. Anyone else would've jumped off a bridge by now, but I'm used to this. Life would just be too easy if I had even half the luck of a normal person.

ZenKing, you are no doubt 10 times better than me or anyone else but it seems as if just like Muhammad Ali or Michael Jordan, you continue playing long after you should have quit. Perhaps, like them you fail to recognize that your skills may have eroded. They had the knowledge, as you do, but they simply could not implement it. Muhammad Ali ended up with Parkinson and you might end up broke.

 

[KewlJ]

For longevity purposes, I stand on 16 vs. Ace. If I have more money on table, it's likely a stand anyway as count would be positive

This is the basis of (card) counter's basic strategy. The example usually used is 16 vs 10, because it is so easily understood, but there are a number of plays that go against normal basic strategy, but are the correct play at relatively low plus counts, and all counts where the counter will have larger wagers out.

So the advantage of always playing counter's basic strategy is there is no play variation (index play) that the casinos and pit sometime look for and you are playing correctly when your larger wagers are out and going against basic strategy at neutral counts, all of which is beneficial to longevity. So you might want to look up all of the counter's basic strategy plays.

 

[ZeeBabar]

This is the basis of (card) counter's basic strategy. The example usually used is 16 vs 10, because it is so easily understood, but there are a number of plays that go against normal basic strategy, but are the correct play at relatively low plus counts, and all counts where the counter will have larger wagers out.

So the advantage of always playing counter's basic strategy is there is no play variation (index play) that the casinos and pit sometime look for and you are playing correctly when your larger wagers are out and going against basic strategy at neutral counts, all of which is beneficial to longevity. So you might want to look up all of the counter's basic strategy plays.

Where do we find the counters basic strategy?