Automatic Monkey- im sure your used to the 8d...... but reality is that it takes a very long time to get a good true count....... and pen is always bad v.s. the 6 deck pen. I've backcounted both 6d and 8d ......... the vast majority of the time in an 8d game you will be backcounting and backcounting and backcounting. Its just not worth it if you are going to a casino looking for a reasonable ev.Automatic Monkey said:
Depending on the part of the state-in this case, W.VA., OH, & Penn. (Tho MD should rally be considered). Near Argosy, tri-state is Oh, In & Ky. In the 'religious south' where I'm at, it's Oh, Ky, & W VA.xxrenegadexx said:
Backcounting, for a particular spread and rule set I use:xxrenegadexx said:
Yep, near Athens. My VERY LIMITED experience has been in the mid-west where all of the pit games I have seen were 2D $25 min., 4D $15 min., and 6D $5 min. (I've only seen 1 8D table, stayed away from it, and only glanced at the High Roller room. They wouldn't have approved of my drooling all over their carpets). That, and being that I am close enogh to WVA to know their economics is what surprised me.ChefJJ said:
Actually, because I'm self-employed (and in my business you rarely get work in our own back-yard) I'm in Ohio only about 6 weeks a year. The rest of the year it's upper mid-west and south.sagefr0g said:your didn't vote for it?!
why not let it get started then change how the money is appropriated? seems to me the hard part is getting the ball rolling.
$100 minimums is definitely not the way to start!!!eps6724 said:Yep, near Athens. My VERY LIMITED experience has been in the mid-west where all of the pit games I have seen were 2D $25 min., 4D $15 min., and 6D $5 min. (I've only seen 1 8D table, stayed away from it, and only glanced at the High Roller room. They wouldn't have approved of my drooling all over their carpets). That, and being that I am close enogh to WVA to know their economics is what surprised me.
But, like I said, my experience is really limited, and I consider myself a "future ac after a few more months of practicing!" And my idea of practice, wonging or not, is NOT $100.00 minimums!!!
Know the schol well...and now I know how you learned to hold your alcohol (among other "things":vomit:ChefJJ said:
those are nice rules....... how is the "heat" there?SPX said:
From what i've seen the eight deck cut off point has been terrible.... like 3 decksAutomatic Monkey said:
I found a 6D $15 table at Borgata in AC this weekend. I know because my first round I was counting for an 8D game (which I had been playing for 20 hours the previous day at the Taj) when I suddenly realized it was a 6-deck game. No wonder the count never turned positive!xxrenegadexx said:
I know. There's a certain breed of Christian who believe that any form of gambling is a sin or somehow immoral. Heck, every time you cross the street, it's a gamble. Frankly, I don't know where they get aversion to gambling from--it's certainly not in the Bible--I suppose it's from the evils sometimes associated with excessive and/or illegal gambling. Even most states now endorse gambling, like lotteries, as long as it's supporting a "good" cause (cough, cough). Heck! I think my financial well-being is a good cause!glovesetc said:
The sad thing is that growing up in Ohio, I definitely remember lottery (now two big games), bingo, gambling at the church festival (no shame in gambling with the Catholics), and learning how to play craps from Grandma. Apparently we were in the minority!glovesetc said:
Actually, it wasn't the Christians who started the backlash, rather it stems from the suffrigist/temperance movement of the latter 19th century, when we begin to see an outcry over two of the 3 most popular forms of entertainment for 19th century Americans-cards and dancing. (The third, BTW, was singing. (My work has led me into a lot of research on the history of both cards and gaming in this country). Oddly enough, they were NOT connected with the beliefs of the church, rather the problems associated with drinking and taverns. Unfortunately, most of this movement also coinsided with the 2nd Reformation, where a number of the more Fundamentalist churches sprang (split) from the Presbyterians. This caused a specific cultures within the churches themselves to arise, a difference of where the "Absolute Law of God" was injected with the "Moralistic Law (view) of Man".aslan said:
I don't think you could make an argument from the bible that drinking is always wrong, unless I missed something. The only support you would have are some proverbs that warn about drunkeness, and on the other side you would have Jesus drinking and including wine in communion, and Paul advising Timothy to drink wine. And, in my research, I found the bible to be pretty silent on the subject of gambling; in fact they "gambled" in Acts 1 to decide who would replace Judas.eps6724 said:
