What flow?/ flow conspriacy

[ihate17]

From the Grand Muckity Muck

From the Grand Muckity Muck of the Sacred Holy Church of the All Knowing Sacred Flow.

As we are all knowing, our agents have discovered that within the forum there are untold sinners, heretics, and blasphemers, all taking the name of the Holy Flow in Vain. We are now taking down your names

The exaulted elders of our Church are now considering an Inquisition to purefy the game of blackjack and eject all non believers to purgatory or the slot machines, whichever is closer. "There is no place for either math, logic or common sense and it will not be tolerated", states Gary Loverman chuch elder. The use of ones brain should be illegal and payments are being made to Nevada politicians to just this unholy wrong within the law.

Our true believers, members of our church, lovingly known as Ploppies are encouraged to point out, comment about and in some cases bring physical threats to non believers who tamper or try to destroy the sacred flow. The casinos, who through their loving and charitable nature, house our 6 and 7 seat churches and enforce the rule against logic, are the greatest of allies in our battle against the barbaric non believers. Efforts will be increased to downgrade rules and catch brain users. Punishment to brain users will vary from ejection to the slot area, or all facilities, and to the back room where with the help of their paid shills, acting as Gaming agents or police, physical punishment for this horrible sin will be handed out.

May the Flow be with you.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Sinners repent! You're all going to Harrahs!!

-Sonny-

Could be worse. At least there's little heat. :flame:

So maybe Harrah's is more like Il Purgatorio than Il Inferno. (O'Sheas?)

So what would be Il Paradiso?

 

[ihate17]

O'Sheas is Harrah's

Could be worse. At least there's little heat. :flame:

So maybe Harrah's is more like Il Purgatorio than Il Inferno. (O'Sheas?)

So what would be Il Paradiso?

O'Sheas is owned by Harrah's, just a deeper but smaller pit for those special sinners.

ihate17---The Anti Flow (does that mean I will go to O'Sheas?)

 

[Sonny]

O'Sheas is owned by Harrah's, just a deeper but smaller pit for those special sinners.

O'Sheas too? Man, that whole town is going to Harrahs in a handbasket! :devil:

-Sonny-

 

[EasyRhino]

If someone stresses out about flow, I relay the anecdote about the dopehead sitting immediately to my right, who made plays that even a ploppy would think were dumb. However, each time he did, it somehow helped my hand (or helped the dealer bust). He lost all of his money quickly, but it helped me just fine. And that's why I tell people that I don't really care what they do.

I'd say they believe me about 20% of the time.

 

[hotroddy]

Last night an old man at first position was trying to hit everything to 17, even if the dealer was showing a 6 or less. At first, a few of the people complained that he was doing it, until they realized that for about 8 out of 10 times he did that in one shoe, if he hadn't, the dealer would have made a hand, and by him doing so, the dealer busted. Then they were all for it and didn't say another word. But then other people would try something like it, and if it wasn't the same old man, then they got mad.

After the last shoe ended with the dealer pulling three 8-card 21's in a row with my max bet out on two spots and a TC of +5, I left, but at that time he was down a good $1500.

 

[shadroch]

The old "three 8 card 21s in a row trick" eh?

 

[Kasi]

The old "three 8 card 21s in a row trick" eh?

That's gotta be in the trillions to 1 range.

Happens every day

 

[hotroddy]

3-2-2-3-2-2-2-5
2-2-4-3-2-A-2-5
A-2-2-A-6-3-A-5

The old man looked like he was going to throw up on the table after the third hand. I'm sure I'll remember the sequences for quite a while, I have a pretty good recall.

 

[Kasi]

3-2-2-3-2-2-2-5
2-2-4-3-2-A-2-5
A-2-2-A-6-3-A-5

The old man looked like he was going to throw up on the table after the third hand. I'm sure I'll remember the sequences for quite a while, I have a pretty good recall.

You certainly do!

I wasn't disbelieving you just remarking on the chances of it happening - it's probably well beyond mere trillions to 1

And all the more remarkable in a positive count.

 

[21forme]

Must have been a great count after those hands came out!

 

[ihate17]

I think he mentioned the shoe ended on those hands

Must have been a great count after those hands came out!

Those 3 hands I believe added up to a RC of +16. Odds are, if that is how the shoe ended, a cell phone call/bathroom break would have been the proper play, waiting for the shuffle. In some cases, depending upon what the TC actually was and the dealers up card, in a count that negative, hitting hard 17 might be called for. I know there is an indice for this but honestly, when the count is that bad I tend to not play so memorizing it has been of no importance.

ihate17

 

[Kasi]

Those 3 hands I believe added up to a RC of +16. Odds are, if that is how the shoe ended, a cell phone call/bathroom break would have been the proper play, waiting for the shuffle. In some cases, depending upon what the TC actually was and the dealers up card, in a count that negative, hitting hard 17 might be called for. I know there is an indice for this but honestly, when the count is that bad I tend to not play so memorizing it has been of no importance. ihate17

Not sure I understand - this is a positive count, not negative. With so many 10's apparently remaining, you wouldn't even consider hitting a 17.

In hi-lo u would hit a 17 vs Ace if the TC is less than -6 since so many tens are now out of the deck. Can't remember seeing an index for any other 17.

Although there was this guy in Vegas at a $3 table who didn't hit his 17 and was so mad when I got the 4 next, he left the table in a real rage muttering "I knew I should have hit."

 

[NDN21]

What flow?/flow conspiracy

Has anyone ever heard one of these "flow-ers" complaining about the flow when they win?

"Hey you messed up the flow and caused me to win ".

These flow-people complain when they lose on the current hand or next hand. Yet if they win two or three hands in a row a little further down the shoe they never again mention that you had disrupted the flow.

 

[ihate17]

Kasi, read Hotrody's post again

Not sure I understand - this is a positive count, not negative. With so many 10's apparently remaining, you wouldn't even consider hitting a 17.

In hi-lo u would hit a 17 vs Ace if the TC is less than -6 since so many tens are now out of the deck. Can't remember seeing an index for any other 17.

Although there was this guy in Vegas at a $3 table who didn't hit his 17 and was so mad when I got the 4 next, he left the table in a real rage muttering "I knew I should have hit."

He mentioned that the shoe ended with those three 8 card 21's. To me, that means that most likely before those three hands were dealt, the count was extremely negative, most likely less than -6. That was my point. If any tens remain they absolutely do not matter because the dealer is now shuffling. So before those 3 hands were dealt you should take a break and not play but if you do play then hitting everything to 17 (as the guy at the table did) or even hitting 17 might just be the right play.

For the shoe to end that way, there may be a ton of tens after the cut card, but even so, there is a stronger possibility that the shoe was in serious minus territory before those hands. Hotrody did not give us the count going into those hands.

If you plan to play all it is not uncommon to see a non counter sit out hands. So do the same thing. More than half the shoe has been dealt, the count is minus, you have lost a hand or two in a row and just tell the dealer you want to pass and wait for the next shoe because this one is just bad. Throw in a comment like, "new shoe, new hope." If they happen to be evaluating you from the eye at the time, then it all does you no good but otherwise you are just another player who believes in good/bad shoes.

ihate17

 

[ihate17]

A proper correction of the flow

Has anyone ever heard one of these "flow-ers" complaining about the flow when they win?

"Hey you messed up the flow and caused me to win ".

These flow-people complain when they lose on the current hand or next hand. Yet if they win two or three hands in a row a little further down the shoe they never again mention that you had disrupted the flow.

Count is high, lost a few in a row, so now it is time to fix, readjust and correct the mystical, magical, flow.
I spread to two hands and I win, so it worked.
I spread to two hands and I push, so it was better than before.
I spread to two hands and I lose, it might take two tries or give it an, "Oh well at least I tried something.

The flow is our friend to be used for cover when the count calls for it.

Probably told this story before:
I do some unpopular basic strategy play like doubling soft 18 vs 3-6, or splitting 9's. Guy on the other end of the table lands up losing and complaining about the flow and dealers bust card.
Next hand that guy gets a blackjack and I say, "your welcome." Of course, no comment from him then.

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