what is the player advantage?

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kemperpoker

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Using Omega II advanced, full indexes, ace side count, double deck, 75% penetration, H17 das, true count of +6...what is the player advantage?
 
Sonny

Sonny

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I would estimate around 1.5% based on CVCX Online. I can get more specific numbers when I get home to my laptop.

-Sonny-
 
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kemperpoker

Member
help me understand

I will get this someday even if it kills me...

Not to insult any Hi Lo players, but the general consensus is the Omega advanced with ace side count is a more effective counting method..But please help me understand my findings on the QFIT simulation...

running equal rules and stats (DD,75%,H17das) here's a sample comparison

true count frequency player advantage

Hi Lo +4 4.81% 2.19%

+5 2.28% 2.95%

+6 2.13% 3.64%


OMEGA +4 5.06% 1.10%

+5 2.80% 1.51%

+6 2.96% 1.84%


What I dont get is the true counts come pretty close to the same frequency but the player advantage is almost half as much. What am I missing?
 
moo321

moo321

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kemperpoker said:
I will get this someday even if it kills me...

Not to insult any Hi Lo players, but the general consensus is the Omega advanced with ace side count is a more effective counting method..But please help me understand my findings on the QFIT simulation...

running equal rules and stats (DD,75%,H17das) here's a sample comparison

true count frequency player advantage

Hi Lo +4 4.81% 2.19%

+5 2.28% 2.95%

+6 2.13% 3.64%


OMEGA +4 5.06% 1.10%

+5 2.80% 1.51%

+6 2.96% 1.84%


What I dont get is the true counts come pretty close to the same frequency but the player advantage is almost half as much. What am I missing?
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Umm, is it a multi-level count?
 
QFIT

QFIT

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Two very different counts. Looking at only a few counts tells you little, if anything. It is the amalgam of all counts and standard deviations, and bets that matters. And if you are side-counting aces, comparison on a count by count basis is even less meaningful.
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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kemperpoker said:
I use advanced omega with full indices with a side ace count if that is what you mean
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The ao2 is a fine count. I like to side-count "eights" for stiff-hands and use the ace side-count for some soft hands, splits, ins, and 7-11 along with for betting. I think you can get your pe to around .8 when done correctly.
 
JSTAT

JSTAT

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QFIT said:
Two very different counts. Looking at only a few counts tells you little, if anything. It is the amalgam of all counts and standard deviations, and bets that matters. And if you are side-counting aces, comparison on a count by count basis is even less meaningful.
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QFIT,so you are saying that a Ten Count that side counts aces, 8's and 9's cannot be compared to another count such as hi-lo? Can CVData contain a complex Ten Count such as this? Can you comp me your software?

JSTAT
 
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