What is the real meaning of long term?

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

Where do you get this from? No positive VP games left? Please!

Shut up,listen,and learn. You just might realize you have very little idea what you are posting about.

there are no positive ev games.. give me the casino and the pay table values for the game you claim is positive ev (i bet u dont give proof either, you will just respond with another random insult).. when i say "none left" i dont mean not 1 in the usa, i mean 99% of casinos dont have them, i would know, i do a lot of reading.. how many newsletters from professional vp players have you read that say the vp gravy train is over? do you even have a pay table calculator like vpsm? do you even play video poker? or are you just assuming, which is essentially what i am doing, but with knowledge from players who travel all over looking for 99.9%+ pay tables.. u tell me to shut up, learn, and listen? from who? you? why are u so mad? do i make you that mad because i tell what i believe as the truth? hilarious.. ill give you some advice, dont go into the voodoo threads, because you will get super angry at the claims they make in there..

 

[shadroch]

Oh,you read it in a newsletter from a honest to goodness VP pro. Guess it must be true then.

Here is a hint. People who play for a living(as oppossed to people who sell for a living) don't post superior games on public forums.Perhaps you would like a list of BJ dealers in your area that tend to flash their holecards,as well?

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

Oh,you read it in a newsletter from a honest to goodness VP pro. Guess it must be true then.

Here is a hint. People who play for a living(as oppossed to people who sell for a living) don't post superior games on public forums.Perhaps you would like a list of BJ dealers in your area that tend to flash their holecards,as well?

ah, the old "im not telling, its a secret" routine.. good one.. ill rephrase it then to be more truthful and to your liking.. positive ev vp is EXTREMELY RARE.. if you disagree with that then i guess u just like to disagree with me just because.. and i wasnt saying it like "i know a pro, he says there arent any!" im saying that im not an idiot just assuming random things just because the 1 casino i go to doesnt have it (or the other 6 casinos near me)

 

[shadroch]

Very good,you are learning.
Yes positive VP is very rare,but it does exist.There are even paid websites that will give you the exact location of these machine.

 

[shadroch]

By the way,if you ever get to Vegas,El Cortz has several machines that pay over 100%.Think they are called Double Bonus 10/7,or something to that effect. These machines are in several downtown casinos and The Palms as well.Google VPFree and check out the websites.

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

By the way,if you ever get to Vegas,El Cortz has several machines that pay over 100%.Think they are called Double Bonus 10/7,or something to that effect. These machines are in several downtown casinos and The Palms as well.Google VPFree and check out the websites.

or SOMETHING to that effect? let me ask you something, since you decided to cross the line with me (by telling me to shut up, learn, and listen), let me ask, how many video poker games do you know how to play to 99% accuracy? do you own any vp software? how many hours of vp have you played? i have THOROUGHLY checked the 7 nearest casinos to chicago, and the best one CURRENTLY is a 9/6 quarter progressive jacks (kinda rare), which had an $1100 jackpot when i saw it, which has a house edge of about .3% which is EASILY in the top 1% of all the video poker machines in this country.. other than that, you USUALLY have to go up to $1 machines just to find under 1% house edges, and the thing about most video poker pay table alterations is that they dont really alter them by small amounts, for instance with jacks or better, 9/6 is 99.54%, but you go down to the USUAL next step down which is 8/5 and you shoot all the way down to 97.3%.. but from my experience in the 7 casinos in chicagoland, most video poker machines have around a 3% house edge.. i may be on the bottom rung when it comes to being an AP (or in between BS player and AP, however u want to put it), but i would like to think that i know more than most here about video poker (mostly jacks or better), especially somebody who insults me like a child when they probably dont know much about video poker, and also thinks that when i say "doesnt exist" i mean every single last machine in the country, which no1 can possibly claim.. ill tell you again.. if i say something that is a tiny bit wrong, or a whole lot wrong, why not just say "thats not true, there are a few left"? unless i said "your an idiot, none exist in the entire world, you stupid noob" why would you insult me? and for such a minor technicality?

 

[shadroch]

it is impossible to lower the house edge on video poker just by playing the game.. comps is the only way.. altho there used to be vp games that had a PLAYER advantage of up to 1%, but those are long gone, and now the best you will find is -.46%..


Telling someone that those games are long gone is a minor technicality?
You checked out SEVEN out of hundreds of casinos and because you can't find a full-pay VP machine,you state they don't exist?

Google; VPFree and learn something. Or don't Doesn't matter to me.

 

[EasyRhino]

Wasn't there still one casino in Chicago that had All-American VP with a positive return paytable? Or am I smoking dope?

 

[Sonny]

Wasn't there still one casino in Chicago that had All-American VP with a positive return paytable? Or am I smoking dope?

Maybe both! :cool2: I think Casino Queen used to have full pay 10/7 Double Bonus (100.17%) but then adjusted the payouts a bit.

At the very least, Casino Queen in St. Louis has 10/7 Double Bonus (99.8%, without the full pay) and Jumer’s Rock Island has 15/9 Deuces Wild (98.9%). I’m told it’s not hard to find 9/7 Double Bonus (99.11%) in that area either.

-Sonny-

 

[chichow]

Which are the 7?

Elgin 1
Aurora 1
Joliet 2
Indiana Horseshoe 1
Indiana Resorts 1

what else? or is Blue Chip included in the 7? cuz if we're going to include Blue Chip, I might want to go check out Four winds too

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

Where do you get this from? No positive VP games left? Please!

Shut up,listen,and learn. You just might realize you have very little idea what you are posting about.

it is impossible to lower the house edge on video poker just by playing the game.. comps is the only way.. altho there used to be vp games that had a PLAYER advantage of up to 1%, but those are long gone, and now the best you will find is -.46%..


Telling someone that those games are long gone is a minor technicality?
You checked out SEVEN out of hundreds of casinos and because you can't find a full-pay VP machine,you state they don't exist?

Google; VPFree and learn something. Or don't Doesn't matter to me.

i am aware of vpfree, where its hard to find anything from the past month, and also, who the hell takes someone 100% literally when they say "every/all"? for instance, "i get blackjacks all the time", does that mean they get blackjacks for every hand? no.. like i said, some ppl get an idea of who som1 is in their head, and they are ready to jump on them while reading what the person posted.. when i say "they dont exist anymore" that doesnt mean you cant find a few here and there, but i am saying with confidence that less than 5% of casinos (my guess is less than 2%, but thats a GUESS) will have any at all (+ev vp).. and because you seem to take everything literally (instead of understanding the idea/point of the subject), i will say again, when i say never/all/every/none, THEY ARE RARE BUT DO EXIST (that goes for just about anything too)

 

[CRF]

i know this thread is extremely old...
but i thought the whole reason that u can win bj is b/c blackjacks pay 3 to 2, so even if the house has some bit of an advantage the payout should cancel it out, right? But then again why would nobody have mentioned that yet?

 

[MangoJ]

i know this thread is extremely old...
but i thought the whole reason that u can win bj is b/c blackjacks pay 3 to 2, so even if the house has some bit of an advantage the payout should cancel it out, right? But then again why would nobody have mentioned that yet?

So wrong. You are right, the 3:2 payout adds to the player advantage, and so does split and double options. However you lose your bust hand even if the dealer busts (instead of a push), which works for the house advantage and does overcome your player advantages (otherwise the house would not offer that game).

 

[bigplayer]

or SOMETHING to that effect? let me ask you something, since you decided to cross the line with me (by telling me to shut up, learn, and listen), let me ask, how many video poker games do you know how to play to 99% accuracy? do you own any vp software? how many hours of vp have you played? i have THOROUGHLY checked the 7 nearest casinos to chicago, and the best one CURRENTLY is a 9/6 quarter progressive jacks (kinda rare), which had an $1100 jackpot when i saw it, which has a house edge of about .3% which is EASILY in the top 1% of all the video poker machines in this country.. other than that, you USUALLY have to go up to $1 machines just to find under 1% house edges, and the thing about most video poker pay table alterations is that they dont really alter them by small amounts, for instance with jacks or better, 9/6 is 99.54%, but you go down to the USUAL next step down which is 8/5 and you shoot all the way down to 97.3%.. but from my experience in the 7 casinos in chicagoland, most video poker machines have around a 3% house edge.. i may be on the bottom rung when it comes to being an AP (or in between BS player and AP, however u want to put it), but i would like to think that i know more than most here about video poker (mostly jacks or better), especially somebody who insults me like a child when they probably dont know much about video poker, and also thinks that when i say "doesnt exist" i mean every single last machine in the country, which no1 can possibly claim.. ill tell you again.. if i say something that is a tiny bit wrong, or a whole lot wrong, why not just say "thats not true, there are a few left"? unless i said "your an idiot, none exist in the entire world, you stupid noob" why would you insult me? and for such a minor technicality?

LOL, I know of two casinos in the Chicagoland area with not just one but several games that with same day cashback are over 100% and without cashback are 99.94% and 99.96% respectively.

 

[bigplayer]

Yeah, the double feature is +EV with comps. It is still +EV for machines that pay over 100%, even though it "gets you closer to 100%". The only thing is you might do better to not play the double up feature for comps when the payout is over 100% because it might not make you as much as the actual game does.

Double Up does not change the EV of the game. If the game is -0.5% on $10,000 coin-in then you've still paid the casino $50 bucks for the privilege of playing. The Double-Up feature simply increases variance much like an odds bet at craps and since you don't get coin-in for Double-Up it's worthless as a tool to generate comps. Double Up is only useful if there is some reason why you might want to increase your variance...like for loss rebates as an example.