What is this method called?

[darkassassin89]

Ok i have been trying to perfect the Hi-Lo count and i can usually get through 2-3 decks After that i get distracted X( still need some work lol.

Any ways, i came across a method that was intresting to me... No one has a name for it ( saw 2 vids on youtube jus describing simple directions)
2-9 = +1 T-K = 2- and then u count the ace's as a side count.

Now i did some digging and found hi-op 2 is very similar to this

however 8 and 9 are zero value and 4 and 5 are plus 2
(for reasons i do not know but can assume are still better for the player)

Is there a name for the method i just described above? Like a hi-opt 1 1/2 lol bc it is very similar to hi-op 2

please correct me if i said anything wrong and thanks in advance

 

[tthree]

Ok i have been trying to perfect the Hi-Lo count and i can usually get through 2-3 decks After that i get distracted X( still need some work lol.

Any ways, i came across a method that was intresting to me... No one has a name for it ( saw 2 vids on youtube jus describing simple directions)
2-9 = +1 T-K = 2- and then u count the ace's as a side count.

Now i did some digging and found hi-op 2 is very similar to this

however 8 and 9 are zero value and 4 and 5 are plus 2
(for reasons i do not know but can assume are still better for the player)

Is there a name for the method i just described above? Like a hi-opt 1 1/2 lol bc it is very similar to hi-op 2

please correct me if i said anything wrong and thanks in advance

If you are having trouble with HILO how is a 2 level system with a side count going to help your issue?

I tried to find what it was called. I gave up, my guess its a pretty weak system. If it werent it would be a lot easier to find.

 

[tthree]

Find a playable pitch game

The solution to your problem seems obvious. Find a playable 1 or 2 deck game. You seem to be able to keep the count long enough to reap the maximum benefit of HILO in these games.

By loosing the count in the shoe games after 2-3 decks you are effectively half shoeing yourself or worse.

 

[darkassassin89]

I see so the method i explained is not a true method then? I guess those videos i saw were not good to watch then. Thank you for the advice. I live in california and i have never seen a 1-2 deck game and am still learning card counting. It is easy to learn but def hard to master i just have to keep doing it.

all games here are always 5$ min with 5-8 shoes auto shuffles but the games are rather good. DD any 2 cards, DD splits, early surrender, split aces (but only 1 card each) so the game is def worth my time but i just need to be able to not get distracted. Any tips? or say u lose count early on or half way (this being my issue) what should i do to recoup? Leave and find a new table and try again? Sit it out and play basic strategy?

By auto shuffler i mean the dealer puts the cards into a machine and deals so trying to cut and find aces is not an option.

 

[Coyote]

By auto shuffler i mean the dealer puts the cards into a machine and deals so trying to cut and find aces is not an option.

So your saying it's a (CSM) continuous suffle machine? No wonder the rules are so good! :laugh:

Run away!

Coyote

 

[FLASH1296]

It sounds like you may be referring to a C S M — a continuous shuffle machine.

You cannot count cards against that type of shuffler.

You also cannot learn to EFFECTIVELY count cards by watching some utterly simplistic YouTube Videos.

Hi-Lo is a good place for a rank beginner to learn how to count cards.

Stay away from the casinos and take stock of yourself.

You can be just another gambling loser or you can invest your time in study and practice.

You need to read some books and READ some good information available to you on this site.

Card Counting is easy enough.

Doing it well enough to actually make money is very hard.

 

[darkassassin89]

no no no no!!! they deal them from a shoe Xp they just do not shuffle with there hands, a machin does this, but then they take it out of the machine and place it in a shoe.

Sorry for not being more descriptive......

 

[tthree]

asm or csm?

IF you were correct that it was an automatic shuffle machine its worth counting, it would have the played cards placed in a discard tray til you reach the cut card then they would be shuffled by the machine. If it is a continuous shuffle machine the cards would be placed back in the machine after each hand or a relatively small number of hands. The csm makes counting useless.

 

[tthree]

I see so the method i explained is not a true method then? I guess those videos i saw were not good to watch then. Thank you for the advice. I live in california and i have never seen a 1-2 deck game and am still learning card counting. It is easy to learn but def hard to master i just have to keep doing it.

all games here are always 5$ min with 5-8 shoes auto shuffles but the games are rather good. DD any 2 cards, DD splits, early surrender, split aces (but only 1 card each) so the game is def worth my time but i just need to be able to not get distracted. Any tips? or say u lose count early on or half way (this being my issue) what should i do to recoup? Leave and find a new table and try again? Sit it out and play basic strategy?

By auto shuffler i mean the dealer puts the cards into a machine and deals so trying to cut and find aces is not an option.

If you lose the count and you know it was a positive count play a hand or 2 more, otherwise take a Pee or cell break (cover) or find another table so you can start with a fresh shoe.

 

[darkassassin89]

yea it is not a CSM not at all Xp.

So with that aside, any tips on what i should doif i lose count 2-3 decks in with a 6-8 deck shoe?

I would usually just keep playing basic strategy (im about 90% with my Basic strategy with few Soft Ace errors) (( i hve a BJ program called casino verde and it is quite good ))

 

[paddywhack]

yea it is not a CSM not at all Xp.

So with that aside, any tips on what i should doif i lose count 2-3 decks in with a 6-8 deck shoe?

I would usually just keep playing basic strategy (im about 90% with my Basic strategy with few Soft Ace errors) (( i hve a BJ program called casino verde and it is quite good ))

Easy answer. Stay away from the casino and practice until you are able to keep the count through the entire shoe - with distractions.

We have such a small edge that unless our play is top-notch it's not much better than gambling.

 

[darkassassin89]

If you lose the count and you know it was a positive count play a hand or 2 more, otherwise take a Pee or cell break (cover) or find another table so you can start with a fresh shoe.

Ok but i tend to do this often i have adhd and when i want to concentrate on something so hard i usualy can, but sadly i can easily get distracted :flame:

I have been finding much information all over the web and it all seems the same. But i did find something rather odd.

here is a link to a video from a guy who uses the method i explained in the Original post. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLtT8fzQsTc&feature=related (its loud so put the volume down) but he explains that HI-LO has a HUGE FLAW!!! pay attetion to what he says in the first 2 minutes before he just deminstrates.

Now if im wrong please let me know, but he shows that even the original creaator says he "made a mistake" (( you can find this part at 2:00min in the 9 min you tube video))

this is were i found the different count. I was watching this guy so if he is wrong please tell me now so i stop watching his vids

 

[darkassassin89]

He calls its "thorps upgraded 10 count" i finally found the name lol

anyone ever heard of this?

 

[darkassassin89]

Easy answer. Stay away from the casino and practice until you are able to keep the count through the entire shoe - with distractions.

We have such a small edge that unless our play is top-notch it's not much better than gambling.

ok then i guess i have much more studing and practicing to do then. I do love BJ very much, i can usually break even when i go (obviously i wana be winning) if it means anything i sat at a 5$ table for over 24 hours and lost 200 bucks....
i was so mad lol but then i saw a guy spend 200$ in 5 minutes so i thought, well at least i enjoyed that money lol

 

[kewljason]

J-stat's 'going postal video'. :laugh: who didn't know that's where this thread was headed as soon as youtube was mentioned.

 

[tthree]

Improved 10 count?

What this guy did is not an improvement over most other 2 level systems. The 9 is better lumped with the 10 value cards if it is not neutral. The 8 is neutral and has little value in counting. The 7 has a situational value and may act as a beneficial card but its removal increases the dealer likelihood of busting his 10 more than any other card so it has merit to be included as a low card.

His system is extremely strong if you are considering your insurance option but I doubt it is more useful for many other decisions.

 

[darkassassin89]

What this guy did is not an improvement over most other 2 level systems. The 9 is better lumped with the 10 value cards if it is not neutral. The 8 is neutral and has little value in counting. The 7 has a situational value and may act as a beneficial card but its removal increases the dealer likelihood of busting his 10 more than any other card so it has merit to be included as a low card.

His system is extremely strong if you are considering your insurance option but I doubt it is more useful for many other decisions.

So in conclusion, this is a count i should not be doing then?

 

[bigplayer]

Ok i have been trying to perfect the Hi-Lo count and i can usually get through 2-3 decks After that i get distracted X( still need some work lol.

Any ways, i came across a method that was intresting to me... No one has a name for it ( saw 2 vids on youtube jus describing simple directions)
2-9 = +1 T-K = 2- and then u count the ace's as a side count.

Now i did some digging and found hi-op 2 is very similar to this

however 8 and 9 are zero value and 4 and 5 are plus 2
(for reasons i do not know but can assume are still better for the player)

Is there a name for the method i just described above? Like a hi-opt 1 1/2 lol bc it is very similar to hi-op 2

please correct me if i said anything wrong and thanks in advance

You just need to practice more. When you can do it without much effort at home you should be able to handle it in a casino. If you make much of any mistakes at the kitchen table you won't be able to handle it in the casino.

If doing TC conversions is difficult you should learn REKO and just use that as it gets 98% of what High Low does with much less effort. Going to an obscure two level count with an ace side-count isn't the answer if you're having trouble with high-low. With high low you're using an industry standard count that is easy to use for more advanced things you'll learn to do later. (like shuffle tracking and team play).

 

[jack.jackson]

So in conclusion, this is a count i should not be doing then?

Not at all, go with a balanced Ace-reckoned, such as Zen or Mentor. Its much stronger than the L2 in question.

 

[darkassassin89]

Not at all, go with a balanced Ace-reckoned, such as Zen or Mentor. Its much stronger than the L2 in question.

ok i am going to dedicate myself to learning the zen count. No more hi-lo for me. I will practice zen until i have it mastered. I know i have BS at 90% and if i keep practicing i know i will overcome my few flaws.

I have a long journey ahead of me.

I have a great place to start wish me luck everyone