What would you do with a rat at the table?

[Sonny]

but just remember this, a high count doesnt mean u are more likely to win that hand (i cud be wrong tho, som1 help me out)

You're exactly right. All players should expect to lose more hands than they win. Even a card counter is almost always more likely to lose the next hand than to win it. The reason card counters win money is because they earn more money when the have an advantage (high count, more BJs and successful doubles) than they lose when they are at a disadvantage. See the link below for a better explanation:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=32451

-Sonny-

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

You're exactly right. All players should expect to lose more hands than they win. Even a card counter is almost always more likely to lose the next hand than to win it. The reason card counters win money is because they earn more money when the have an advantage (high count, more BJs and successful doubles) than they lose when they are at a disadvantage. See the link below for a better explanation:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=32451

-Sonny-

we all know that u win about ~42% of your hands or something like that, but what i was saying was u actually win less than ~42% of your hands or something when the count is high, that is wut i remember reading, but now that i think about it, it wud actually be the opposite wudnt it? i mean y wud u put out more money if u were more likely to lose than with a neutral/negative count? i guess wutever i read was wrong, cuz that dont make sense

 

[Sonny]

…what i was saying was u actually win less than ~42% of your hands or something when the count is high, that is wut i remember reading, but now that i think about it, it wud actually be the opposite wudnt it?

At “warm” counts the number of pushes increases because everyone is getting 20 and 21. At extremely high counts the odds actually shift back in favor of the casino. That is probably what you read.

i mean y wud u put out more money if u were more likely to lose than with a neutral/negative count?

If I was getting good odds, yes. Even if the win/loss ratio is 40/60, I would still make a bet if I was getting 2:1 odds.

-Sonny-

 

[sagefr0g]

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If I was getting good odds, yes. Even if the win/loss ratio is 40/60, I would still make a bet if I was getting 2:1 odds.
-Sonny-

so what makes those odds is that more blackjacks 3:2 and more successfull double downs occur at higher true counts i suppose.
why is it that we have more successfull double downs at higher true counts?

 

[EasyRhino]

why is it that we have more successfull double downs at higher true counts?

More tens.

 

[Kasi]

What does the count have to be to surrender a 17?

I don't think there is one. Never do it.

Maybe early surrender but not late surrender.

 

[sagefr0g]

More tens.

uhuh, lets see.....
9,2 v 2,3,4,5,6 we lookin to get a ten dealer gets a ten and he has a stiff
9,2 v 7,8,9,10 we lookin to get a ten dealer gets a ten and he is still beat
same goes for what ever two card eleven we got

then
5,5 v 2,3,4,5,6 we lookin to get a ten dealer gets a ten and he has a stiff
5,5 v 7,8,9 we lookin to get a ten dealer gets a ten and he is still beat
same goes for what ever two card ten we got

then
5,4v 3,4,5,6 we lookin to get a ten dealer gets a ten and he has a stiff

ect. ect. .......

the down side seems to be at the higher true counts aren't we less likely to get two card hands of eleven, ten, nine, ect. making it less likely to be able to profit from these favored positions?

 

[Kasi]

the down side seems to be at the higher true counts aren't we less likely to get two card hands of eleven, ten, nine, ect. making it less likely to be able to profit from these favored positions?

Once u get it, you're more likely to win because of alot of 10's.

I suspect the liklihood of winning double your bet more often than in neutral counts more than offsets the reduced frequency that you are dealt double hands.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I don't think there is one. Never do it.

Maybe early surrender but not late surrender.

There is. The index for surrender 17 vs. 10 is up around +12 in High-Low and +20-24 in a level 2 count. It doesn't happen a lot, but this dealer I remember was dealing an 8D shoe down to just under 1 deck.

 

[blackchipjim]

schills.

I know the thread drifted a bit off subject but hey. I think you encounterd a casino schill that was sent to rattle your cage. Have you ever seen this guy around the casino before? Remember his face and I would lay odds you will encounter him again. I have seen similiar acts at a few casinos that I fequent. I remember faces very well and even though the two casinos I play at are a sixty miles apart some of the jerks go to both. I've seen these people bust up tables at both so I got their number. I wouldn't fight but leave the table or casino or both because they may have you pegged. blackchipjim

 

[EasyRhino]

I heard, somewhere, that in Nevada shills (i.e. those in employ of casino) aren't allowed to play at the table.

 

[Kasi]

There is. The index for surrender 17 vs. 10 is up around +12 in High-Low and +20-24 in a level 2 count. It doesn't happen a lot, but this dealer I remember was dealing an 8D shoe down to just under 1 deck.

Thanks AM - You're right. I just have the numbers from -10 to +10 in my head so I didn't have one for that! I had forgotten they even exist lol. Not sure I've ever got something >+10 in the 8D monsters I play so good for you for knowing that! Hope the dealer had his 10 underneath and saved you half ur max bet!