What would you do?
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Well you need a TC of 9.5 (CE adjusted) to double A10 against a 6, but that's if you are allowed to double after splitting A's where you'd only get paid 1:1 anyway. In honesty i think you'd be very silly to double down on blackjack. y
You're putting 100% of your stake a risk again to win an extra 50% - you would need phenomenal odds.
I wouldn't even double after splitting A's unless i wasn't intending to come back to that casino for a long time and was leaving soon. It just looks too suspicious.
RJT.
You're putting 100% of your stake a risk again to win an extra 50% - you would need phenomenal odds.
I wouldn't even double after splitting A's unless i wasn't intending to come back to that casino for a long time and was leaving soon. It just looks too suspicious.
RJT.
Dyepaintball12
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I didnt think doubling on a BJ was possible. I mean casinos allow that? Makes sense for them i guess kinda.
aslan
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Take the sure thing!
As a gambler, my instinct is always to take the sure thing as opposed to anything with a degree of uncertainty. But I must admit, I have thrown away a pair playing video poker in order to draw one card to a Royal Straight Flush. But just look at the difference in payoff! In the BJ proposition, all you're getting is double instead of 50% more.
As a gambler, my instinct is always to take the sure thing as opposed to anything with a degree of uncertainty. But I must admit, I have thrown away a pair playing video poker in order to draw one card to a Royal Straight Flush. But just look at the difference in payoff! In the BJ proposition, all you're getting is double instead of 50% more.
Automatic Monkey
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People who play and count on 6:5 or 1:1 BJ games (for whatever reason) will sometimes do this too. The point where it becomes profitable to double a natural is much less.
In a situation where you split 10's and get an ace the point where you double is lower still, because you aren't giving up the advantage of the automatic win. The dealer could still pull a 21.
In a situation where you split 10's and get an ace the point where you double is lower still, because you aren't giving up the advantage of the automatic win. The dealer could still pull a 21.
Automatic Monkey
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I certainly hope you've thrown away a pair to draw one to a natural Royal! As well as a straight, and a flush. The only natural hand you keep is a K-Q-J-T-9 straight flush.aslan said:
ihate17
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I look at it this way
You bet $100 and can get $150 for it with your natural and there is absolutely no risk here because you already know the dealer does not have blackjack.
Now you want to go to a $200 risk instead of a 0 risk in order to try to win just an additional $50?
Perhaps if there was nothing but 10's left because aces would be dangerous here.
Not for me.
ihate17
You bet $100 and can get $150 for it with your natural and there is absolutely no risk here because you already know the dealer does not have blackjack.
Now you want to go to a $200 risk instead of a 0 risk in order to try to win just an additional $50?
Perhaps if there was nothing but 10's left because aces would be dangerous here.
Not for me.
ihate17
EasyRhino
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I think you'd need a roughly 80% (maybe higher) chance of an outright win in order for a double down on BJ to be cost effective. Since even drawing to 21 would leave a roughly 10% chance of push, this is tough.
I don't think any count can be high enough to do that. (maybe if you got a look the draw card).
I don't think any count can be high enough to do that. (maybe if you got a look the draw card).
Cardcounter
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Unthinkable!
Doubling down on a blackjack is just crazy. Although win or lose the double down I do think would buy you some cover even if it turns out to be a correct index play. For me I will always take the natural. Look at the consequences if you lose or push the hand. A loss results in 250% less than you would have gotten and a push results in 150% less. While a win will only give you 50% more. The penetration in todays game does not go deep enough to give you a 100% chance of winning the double down hand.
Doubling down on a blackjack is just crazy. Although win or lose the double down I do think would buy you some cover even if it turns out to be a correct index play. For me I will always take the natural. Look at the consequences if you lose or push the hand. A loss results in 250% less than you would have gotten and a push results in 150% less. While a win will only give you 50% more. The penetration in todays game does not go deep enough to give you a 100% chance of winning the double down hand.
bj bob
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You need to go back and read Thorpe's "Beat The Dealer". There's a story about what happened to Junior when he tried that.Reno Dude said:If you were playing a single deck game and the deck was near the end with a +7 count and you got a blackjack with the dealer showing a 6? With blackjack paying 3-2 who here would double down on the blackjack instead of taking the 3-2?
aslan
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Is that right? I didn't think you would throw a pair of K's to possibly get a straight in video poker. But I'm no expert, and hardly ever play the game. Your coins last longer, but they seem to grind you down even more surely than a "Skill-less" slot machine.Automatic Monkey said:
Reno Dude said:If you were playing a single deck game and the deck was near the end with a +7 count and you got a blackjack with the dealer showing a 6? With blackjack paying 3-2 who here would double down on the blackjack instead of taking the 3-2?
Ur gonna double a BJ with a max bet out?
Why are u even counting if ur gonna do that?
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Yes EZR has it right, you would not only throw away a high pair for a royal, but you would throw away a flush or a straight for a royal. A flush is the highest hand you can have and still be once card from a royal.aslan said:
In some games where 4 aces pay a lot you throw away a lot of low pairs too, if you have aces over.
VP has enormous variance and N0 because even with cashbacks you are always playing at a disadvantage until you hit a royal. But because the cashback is a steady stream and all the other paying hands are common enough, the N0 for the casino to make a profit off you is also high.
Someday I'd like to do a VP-AP trip. Loaded iPOD and a nice big lunchbox.
zengrifter
Banned
It is NEVER correct to double on a natural, no matter how high the count.
That said, I was playing at the Riviera years ago ('87) and I threw out two max bets at the end of the shoe and caught two naturals as the pitcritter was telling me that it was my "last hand". So, I doubled BOTH of them against dealer 5, won both doubles, told the PC, "That's what you call good to the last drop!" ...and then I took a bow for the eye. zg
That said, I was playing at the Riviera years ago ('87) and I threw out two max bets at the end of the shoe and caught two naturals as the pitcritter was telling me that it was my "last hand". So, I doubled BOTH of them against dealer 5, won both doubles, told the PC, "That's what you call good to the last drop!" ...and then I took a bow for the eye. zg
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