What's the common consesus about the integrity of Indian Casino games?

[tthree]

Remote impoverished areas have some of the best people. Crime is usually nonexistent. Everyone waves to one another as they pass. Every encounter at a business has lots of chit chat. If you need help even though there are few people out there the first person that comes across you will do anything you need. I was barefoot in a gas station in December after a long day in swamp boots. A very poor elderly man saw me and commented how I shouldn't be walking in he swamps in winter bare foot. He told me he didn't have much but if I stopped by his house he would give me a pair of boots.

Contrast that with more developed and richer areas. Crime is more of a problem. Nobody waves to anyone. People rush through business transactions and are often short with customers. People won't even call the police if you are being killed and will step over you on the sidewalk as you bleed out. People have a garage and basement full of stuff others could use and they wouldn't even consider parting with any of it.

 

[FrankieT]

Then why not just say remote areas? It bothers me that people look down on others just because they are poor. I dealt with many poor people early in my life. Many of them had greater qualities than the richer people I know now.

It's obvious that this whole thread is bourne out of my racist hatred of downtrodden Indians and has nothing to do with the fact that i'm trying to get objective answers to the question put forth.

 

[Blackjackdealer]

I thought I directly answered your question. The games are fair and a gaming commission exists.

 

[creeping panther]

Deadly

No offense intended. I didn't mean that they are shitholes so to speak, but are located in shitty areas - as in remote areas.

I accept your apology.

While I have never been cheated I have been barred at a few and tresspassed and have lost many hundreds in comps in the process, but I do not blame the tribe, I, in the end, blame myself for stepping up my play to a level where they felt I was taking an undue advantage or had shown disrespect after been given vast leeway in my play and welcome.:sad:

CP

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Remote impoverished areas have some of the best people. Crime is usually nonexistent...

'Cept moonshining. And incest, of course!

 

[Automatic Monkey]

All indian casinos have to report to a gaming commission that is tied into the state. The gaming commission oversees all operations to verify the games are fair to the players. That is the loose explanation.

Not so. In general Indian casinos do not report to a state gaming authority, but to a "Tribal Gaming Commission" which is run by the tribe. If it is a tribe of integrity interested in dealing a fair game and maintaining a good reputation they will keep the game honest. If they are the kind of phony "Pretendians" who only discovered they were American Indians after they got an opportunity to build a casino, or the kind that started throwing their parents and grandparents out of the tribe so there would be fewer people to share the loot with, you can figure out what kind of treatment you will get from their gaming commission. The only thing that restrains them is bad press.

 

[Blackjackdealer]

The Tribal Gaming Commission represents the state.. you would be joking if you thought they indian gaming was not regulated. All badges are tied into the state. Heck, in California, they have to use cards on Roulette and Craps! How is that for state gaming regulation?

 

[johnnyb]

Now this is the silliest statement of the week:

"Shuffling machines even verify decks to ensure all cards are accounted for during shuffles."

The A.S.M. merely counts the cards to be sure that the correct number of cards are there.

p.s. I have seen Indian casinos "spread" new cards while there is nothing but a casino employee or two observing !

A few things. I've played at multiple casinos in the tribal area. WinStar, Riverwind, and Choctaw all have antes on the blackjack table. I good rules and sometimes great penetration with certain dealers, and I have never been cheated. Each casino has been very friendly, and I have never accumulated any heat to my knowledge. Other than these casinos, I have been nowhere else.

Flash, I don't know you, but you're not cool for insulting other people who try to help like you've been there done everything.:whip:

 

[FLASH1296]

After 20 years as a full-time Pro, with hundreds of road trips under my belt, indeed I have virtually "done it all".

I will refrain from making disparaging comments re: foolishly playing an "ante" BJ game.

You should know better.

 

[paddywhack]

Flash, I don't know you, but you're not cool for insulting other people who try to help like you've been there done everything.:whip:

Me thinks you have a bunch to learn.......

You don't mess with some people around here, and that is one of them

 

[johnnyb]

After 20 years as a full-time Pro, with hundreds of road trips under my belt, indeed I have virtually "done it all".

I will refrain from making disparaging comments re: foolishly playing an "ante" BJ game.

You should know better.

It's easily revealing to me that some of the things I've seen you say are untrue. For instance, you are a "full-time Pro" yet you're sitting here forum lurking and talking to me as if we are talking among the ranks of feudalism. "I should know better." Just remember that you're hiding behind a computer screen playing with your balls. (I doubt you've been playing for 20 years, but you probably have been on many roadtrips. None of this means you've "virtually done it all".)

Badda Bing.

 

[johnnyb]

Me thinks you have a bunch to learn.......

You don't mess with some people around here, and that is one of them

I should certainly start fearing for my life now.

 

[FLASH1296]

Your "flaming me" is handicapping you from ever gaining any respect here.

My list of "friends" here is very lengthy, and I have real-world friendships

with a lot of peeps here — all of whom I have met in casinos and many of

whom I have personally trained in BJ.

Unlike many of the poseurs here, I am ALWAYS willing to meet

face-to-face in a casino with interested parties.

I am not going to stoop to your adolescent level.

I have requested my crew refrain from telling this interloper "where to get off".

I will comment that I have been a Pro since early 1992, BUT at my advanced

age I consider myself semi-retired. My last road trips to Mississippi was a

year ago and I have not stepped foot in Nevada in almost as long. I generally
take two (2) three (3) day trips to A.C. per month.

p.s. Perhaps you lack the WiFi hardware to post from wherever you may be, but I don't.

 

[paddywhack]

I should certainly start fearing for my life now.

Life, no. Well, I can't say for certain but.....time will tell. That may be Flash at the next table.....

Here's a fact for you. There's a lot of info to be had here, free of charge and open to the public. That's good for all. But the best stuff, the intel that can bring you a terrific opportunity to make some real money or some insight into a game that just can't be posted for all to see - that takes FRIENDS. People that trust you and are willing to offer help.

You are not putting yourself into a position to be one of those friends. Either to Flash or to the many who know him. We all don't agree at times but calling his tenure at this a lie......good luck with that.

 

[johnnyb]

Your "flaming me" is handicapping you from ever gaining any respect here.

My list of "friends" here is very lengthy, and I have real-world friendships

with a lot of peeps here — all of whom I have met in casinos and many of

whom I have personally trained in BJ.

Unlike many of the poseurs here, I am ALWAYS willing to meet

face-to-face in a casino with interested parties.

I am not going to stoop to your adolescent level.

I have requested my crew refrain from telling this interloper "where to get off".

I will comment that I have been a Pro since early 1992, BUT at my advanced

age I consider myself semi-retired. My last road trips to Mississippi was a

year ago and I have not stepped foot in Nevada in almost as long. I generally
take two (2) three (3) day trips to A.C. per month.

p.s. Perhaps you lack the WiFi hardware to post from wherever you may be, but I don't.

Look, Flash. I judge everyone equally the way I see it. You had insulted blackjackdealer after giving good incite on the tribal casinos, and I called you out for it. Just because you've played for many years and are a respected member of this community doesn't give you the right to neglect that others are here to help as well. Don't try to start an argument with me after I call you out, and tell me I'm the one "flaming" you and then tell me you're not going to stoop to my adolescent level. I don't care how many biased friends you have towards your side, I don't let that **** fly by. :cat:

( And threatening me with "no respect" on an internet forum? I lol. )

 

[johnnyb]

Life, no. Well, I can't say for certain but.....time will tell. That may be Flash at the next table.....

Here's a fact for you. There's a lot of info to be had here, free of charge and open to the public. That's good for all. But the best stuff, the intel that can bring you a terrific opportunity to make some real money or some insight into a game that just can't be posted for all to see - that takes FRIENDS. People that trust you and are willing to offer help.

You are not putting yourself into a position to be one of those friends. Either to Flash or to the many who know him. We all don't agree at times but calling his tenure at this a lie......good luck with that.

I appreciate what your saying. There is a lot to be learned here, however, my initial intentions of coming to this forum weren't so that I could make life long friends. It could happen, and a lot of the people here are extremely talented and nice, but I just came here to learn and discuss. No hard feelings.

 

[FLASH1296]

Your claim that I insulted "blackjackdealer" is spurious.

I insulted nobody. I "told it like it is"

He and I have exchanged several perfectly friendly, polite and respectful P.M.'s

Merely because "blackjackdealer" has been dealing BJ for a while does NOT
give him any special insight into how casinos are organized, operated, or
regulated; especially as he has not been employed by several casinos or in
different states.

He has undoubtedly been told X, Y, and Z by authority—figures whose
statements he cannot question, and are to be taken at face value.

 

[Jack_Black]

I concur with blackjackdealer about the comment on ASMs. The current models will tell you exactly which card rank and suit is missing from a 6 or 8D stack. The older models will just tell you if there are 312 out of 312 cards in the stack or not.

 

[Jack_Black]

Johnny B.

A few things:

first, take a look at how many posts you've had on here vs. Flash. How much history have you had here? you're a noob and you have no idea what you're talking about. Most posters on here are aware of Flash's history as a pro, yet you go on claiming he is a troll playing with his balls because YOU doubt his claims? big news for you, nobody cares what you think. btw, Flash spends his time on the net since he's now in poor health, and has also been 86'ed around the country.

my initial intentions of coming to this forum weren't so that I could make life long friends...... I just came here to learn and discuss.

Nobody said you need to make lifelong friends on here, (to use your logic, it's a ****in forum fer cryin out loud) but you need to at least make contacts and associates on here if you wish to be successful and frankly I don't see that happening with your attitude. sure you're free to learn, but if you keep raggin on people with tenure here, no one will discuss with you.

 

[johnnyb]

I love you all.

No worries ->