NDN21 said:Just got back from a casino here in Oklahoma, Lucky Star. I didn't play because it has the fifty-cent ante. But I did stand behind the players and practice my counting as I have done many times in the past.
There was a man in his early to mid-20's who sat down with $40. This guy wasn't counting (at least anything that I could figure out) and there was one other player at the table with him. He finished that first shoe and made about $200 betting $10 to $20 a hand. He stuck $160 in his pocket at that point.
Then the guy went into big risk-taking mode. He bet his entire wad on the first hand of the shoe and won. Then he started betting either $5 or half his wad. He won two bets in a row in which he bet half his wad (adjusting his bet to include the amount he just won). Then he won a five dollar bet. At this point the guy says "gee I should of bet the whole thing" then proceeds to lay down the whole thing. The dealer said "sorry sir, but that exceeds the table limit". The guy lays down $200, get 11 vs. dealer's ten and he doubles for less and wins. He kept betting either five, $100 or the table max of $200. I think he only lost a max bet once and didn't lose a $100 bet AT ALL. When he did lose he only had a $5 bet out.
He was doing all sorts of crazy stuff and not just crazy against the count but crazy for anyone but the most inexperienced newbie, i.e..
- double on hard 14 against a 5 and catching a 6 with $200 bet
- standing on a total of 8 when the dealer showed a ten with $200 bet
- splitting 5's and catching not one but two 6's and doubling on both hands catching a ten for each hand with $200 bet
- hitting a hard 17 and catching a 4 then the dealer turned a 20, etc.!
- He keeps saying "it's only money and even if I lose I will still have more than doubled my money" (after he took the original $40 plus $120 more and stuck it in his pocket)
He was doing things real quick, standing/hitting and not even looking at which card he was dealt (just waiting for the dealer to give him chips or take them), doubling, putting up $200 or leaving just $5 as his bet. It's like he wasn't even thinking about things just doing them.
Stuff like this leads me to believe he wasn't counting or had any idea of how to play blackjack. If he was doing anything counting or strategy-wise it's completely beyond anything I know or even heard of.
The floorperson and EVERY OTHER CASINO PERSONNEL in that pit were watching this guy close after the first $1500 but he kept doing what he was doing. The floorperson kept saying "Now I think he just bit off more than he can chew, this is where it starts to catch up to him" but the guy kept winning.
About 40-45 minutes after he sat down and at the middle of the third shoe he has about $9,000. At this point a girl with a take-out carton from the restaurant in the casino walks by and says "I got my sandwich, sorry it took so long, I know you don't want to be here, let's go". He cashes out and leaves.
$9,000 in about 45 minutes without counting or without following basic strategy whatsoever. I wonder how much he could of made if the limit wasn't $200 as this guy was trying to bet more but couldn't. $9,000 is only 45 $200 units so I guess it isn't impossible. I have gone up 50 units a few times before. But how he was playing, guessing the exact right time to lower his bets and when to hit/double/stand when the BS or count says to do otherwise is what is hard to accept. Pure luck from what I can tell.
I proceeded to sit down in that guy's spot for the rest of that shoe and lost 8 $5 bets in a row and 10 out of 12. The casino has two separate shoes of different color cards, dealing out of one while the other is being shuffled by a machine. I then backed off and waited for the other shoe to come back up. It came back up and I lost $125 on that shoe.
I guess you gotta strike while the iron's hot.
That is a pretty crazy story. It almost sounds like he was shuffle tracking, or he could see the next cards coming out, hole card maybe? I dont know or else he was just really really lucky.