gamblingghost
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:moo321 said:
Where is Clark Cant ??
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I also lost someone very close to me last year to mesothelioma. All avenues were taken to try to fight this diseaese. From vitamin C treatments, magnetic therapy, homeopathic supplements, and homeopathic organic cancer fighting diets, nothing worked and was hugely expensive as it was not covered by insurance. The disease is an absolute nightmare, and incurable by any means as of now. Looking back now, I know all was done possible to try and save this person. But the quality of the small amount of life they had left was awful, and I wonder if it would have been better off not fighting so hard to keep a dying man alive in misery, and just let him go quicker and naturally as was inevitable, forgoing months of his misery for his own loved ones selfish reasons of not letting go.zengrifter said:
gamblingghost
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If the sick person did not want to fight anymore, then his wishes should have been met. My dad was an ol fighter from way back(he was in wwII). He fought this thing almost to the end. He let them take out his lung, plura from around his heart,rib bones to access these areas, and I don't know what else they removed. He took radiation until he was so sick he couldn't hardly sleep. They caught it early too(if they don't catch it early enough, they won't operate). But, like all of em. He didn't win. But, he lived a lot longer than if he had just given up in the beginning (or just ate a funny diet). After watching this I too feel that if I'm ever diagnosed with this thing I don't want to go through all the horrible agony he went through. But, unless I am in that situation, I really don't know what I will do.Bojack1 said:
moo321
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Absolutely. There's a lot of valuable stuff that gets thrown away, if you know where to look. You could spend all day looking and find nothing, or find hundreds of dollars worth of stuff in a few minutes if you know where to go...gamblingghost said:Really!? We need to be 'taught' how to dig through trash!?:laugh:
gamblingghost
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well, or uh.... get a job and make money that way?? Am I out of line for suggesting this?? I mean, digging in private trash could be very dangerous, last resort type of thing for an extremely desperate situation and likely illegal.moo321 said:
Your just yankin my leg.....yes???
zengrifter
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Bojack - I feel like you may have skipped over something very important -Bojack1 said:
- was conventional allopathic treatment ALSO used? zg
gamblingghost
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You keep using this term for western medicine. In fact, even traditional Chinese medicine are themselves allopathic in that they act by opposing the patients symptoms.zengrifter said:
zengrifter
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gamblingghost said:
Bojack1 said:
Paul Kraus, a meso survivor who choose alternative treatment and survived disagrees >>gamblingghost said:
Surviving Mesothelioma Paul Kraus website
Bernie Siegel, M.D. - Paul Kraus' book has all the information a cancer patient needs to have in order to learn what survival behavior is about. He has lived the experience, is a native in cancerland, and can guide you through the territory. We are all mortal, but I have learned that there are characteristics and qualities which long term survivors display. This book elaborates them all for you and gives you a role model to follow. The author shows you the importance of information combined with inspiration, spiritual resources, emotions and desire. The issue is not about failing but about becoming empowered. So read, learn and become an exceptional cancer patient focused on combining healing from within and from without.
Bernie Siegel, M.D., is a physician, bestselling author and advocate for individuals facing the challenges of chronic illnesses. His books include Love, Medicine & Miracles and Help Me To Heal.
zengrifter
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I don't agree. Indian AND Chinese medicine address the whole person, as do many newer alternatives. Allopathy treats symptoms primarily, mostly with poisons that would otherwise cause cancer and kill by themselves and always decimate the immune system. zggamblingghost said:
gamblingghost
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Your not disagreeing with me. It is in the encyclopedia. I do know that they treated my dad completely at Anderson. His whole body, not just the cancer.zengrifter said:
moo321
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No, it's not dangerous if you know what you're doing. And yes, you COULD make money and do it that way, but why? Why work for a week to buy furniture when you can haul perfectly good, non-bedbug infested stuff out of a dumpster? Whats the harm in re-using a lamp?gamblingghost said:
Why pay for computer or electronic parts if you can find them in a dumpster?
It certainly goes against everything you've been taught your whole life, but there's really nothing wrong or unsafe about it.
zengrifter
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I am assuming that the primary treatment was chemo, a poison that will otherwise by itself cause cancer. zggamblingghost said:
zengrifter
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See Zzone post - The Art of Dumpster Divinggamblingghost said:
gamblingghost
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Radiation.zengrifter said:
gamblingghost
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Ok Moo, I'm curious now, how often do you do this? Hmm, they keep talking about the bedbugs in nice hotels but if I get the mattress out of the dump I don't have to worry about them there!!! Wow!!moo321 said:
gamblingghost
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What is Mr. Kraus' status today? Is there a record of success with this or is he the only one to date?zengrifter said:
zengrifter
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I'm advising my client to plead the 5th on that one. - zen-shystergamblingghost said:
moo321
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A matress is one thing I wouldn't pull from a dumpster. Unless somehow it were a store and the thing hadn't been used. It's quite easy to find furniture: evictions or when people move out and throw stuff away. College campuses on move-out day can be fantastic for furniture.gamblingghost said:Ok Moo, I'm curious now, how often do you do this? Hmm, they keep talking about the bedbugs in nice hotels but if I get the mattress out of the dump I don't have to worry about them there!!! Wow!!
You can also find food in dumpsters, but some people turn their noses up at that...
zengrifter
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Diagnosed 1997 he is still alive -gamblingghost said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kraus
http://www.survivingmesothelioma.com/interview.cfm
There are others. But Meso is one of the worst, clearly. zg
gamblingghost
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Oh, gettin picky are we!!moo321 said:
Well, this sounds great! I'm going to tell my girlfriend I'm quittin my job and startin dumpster divin!! I'm sure that will thrillher to no end. She can feel rest assured that her next meal is comin from the dumpster of KFC!!