Would this dice swap trick work?

[Dyepaintball12]

I have been wondering this for several years now and I want some some feedback. This is obviously cheating and I would never attempt it but I feel like it would work.

You have one guy at the craps table shooting the dice and an accomplice waiting nearby.

The shooter then "accidentally" throws the dice hard and one or more of the dice fly off the table.

The accomplice coincidentally walks by as this happens, picks up the dice, switches them with new dice (maybe just one of the dice through a long sleeve shirt of some kind), and throws them to the dealer and walks off.

The shooter calls "same dice" and the Box man "inspects them".

From there the sky is the limit.

I have seen the "same dice" call over and over throughout the past several years and I have rarely seen a Box man REALLY inspect the dice. Basically he just seems to be eying them over for appearances sake.

If you did your research and knew exactly which dice to use I feel like it would work.

Opinions?


- Dye

 

[Jack_Black]

It won't work.

 

[bjcardcounter]

It will work 100%



to get you to jail.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Thanks for the great input but someone explain where along the way it wouldn't work.

 

[Jack_Black]

how about you explain what your plan is to get the die passed the boxman? and what the "trick" dice are supposed to accomplish? also, the how and why the boxman won't notice something is wrong with the die.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

how about you explain what your plan is to get the die passed the boxman? and what the "trick" dice are supposed to accomplish? also, the how and why the boxman won't notice something is wrong with the die.

1. Have you ever seen dice thrown off a craps table? Someone picks them up, drops them on the table, the dealer grabs them and gives them directly to the Box Man. Every time. On a crowded table when a shooter yells "same dice" the game does not continue until the Box Man checks them out, and on a hot table he would be rushed by the players.

2. I'm sure the possibilities are endless but even weighting the six higher than the others would eliminate many of the lower numbers being thrown. Many bets would benefit from this.

3. Do you think I said swap a red dice for a blue dice? Or one that says Mirage to the MGM? No. I said do the research on the dice they use.

 

[bjcardcounter]

1. Have you ever seen dice thrown off a craps table? Someone picks them up, drops them on the table, the dealer grabs them and gives them directly to the Box Man. Every time. On a crowded table when a shooter yells "same dice" the game does not continue until the Box Man checks them out, and on a hot table he would be rushed by the players.

2. I'm sure the possibilities are endless but even weighting the six higher than the others would eliminate many of the lower numbers being thrown. Many bets would benefit from this.

3. Do you think I said swap a red dice for a blue dice? Or one that says Mirage to the MGM? No. I said do the research on the dice they use.

Pls, let go this thought. Why do you wanna take this route?

 

[Jack_Black]

still doubtful. Yes I know what the procedure is when the dice roll off the table. you're GUESSING that the boxman isn't going to notice the difference in weight? Just how much weight do you think is needed to get it to stay lop sided? you know that he's going to be checking all sides of the die, and at some point, he will also notice how the weighting is off as he rotates it on all sides. you only want one die to be lopsided? because it will seem pretty suspicious if both dice fly off the table. if only one die is lopsided, how does that lessen the 7s from occurring if you can't control what the other die will do? say you do actually pull it off and now you're playing with the dice on the table. once you win your point, they mix up your fake die with other real die and then give them all to you for the come out roll. are you going to be able to pick out your die? say you can pick out your fake die. what do you do when you leave? just leave them on table? you know that they mic the dice before closing right? how many times do you think you can get away with it before you have order up a new batch of fake die, which certainly won't be easy or cheap?

I would hope you don't use blue die for your fake die when the table is using red. or have mirage die at the mgm.

have a different idea? here's a good one.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

still doubtful. Yes I know what the procedure is when the dice roll off the table. you're GUESSING that the boxman isn't going to notice the difference in weight? Just how much weight do you think is needed to get it to stay lop sided? you know that he's going to be checking all sides of the die, and at some point, he will also notice how the weighting is off as he rotates it on all sides. you only want one die to be lopsided? because it will seem pretty suspicious if both dice fly off the table. if only one die is lopsided, how does that lessen the 7s from occurring if you can't control what the other die will do? say you do actually pull it off and now you're playing with the dice on the table. once you win your point, they mix up your fake die with other real die and then give them all to you for the come out roll. are you going to be able to pick out your die? say you can pick out your fake die. what do you do when you leave? just leave them on table? you know that they mic the dice before closing right? how many times do you think you can get away with it before you have order up a new batch of fake die, which certainly won't be easy or cheap?

I would hope you don't use blue die for your fake die when the table is using red. or have mirage die at the mgm.

have a different idea? here's a good one.

- They absolutely do not mix up your dice with the other dice when you win your point

- If you were betting enough with enough EV then you could afford the mass dice purchases

I have no idea how you would weight the dice. I am not an expert and this is theoretical. I'm just saying that in my experience a lot of the time the Boxman just roll the dice around and probably don't even know what they're looking for.

 

[BrianCP]

They check the serial numbers on the dice so that sticks get similar amounts of play time. Also, unless you happen to have that exact serial number on your dice......it probably won't work.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

I loved that article JB haha

It looks like he actually knew and copied the serial numbers somehow!

 

[Jack_Black]

huh? he would get handed all the dice for the come out(let's say). he would have his fake dice palmed and hidden from view. then he would be playing with the fake dice the whole time for a monster of a roll. then when he thought they had enough, he would replace the fakes with the real and 7 out. the boxman would never need to look at the dice at any point. but nowadays, I find places that put the dice in front of the boxman as the dealers pay out everyone and then the stick man pushes it out to the shooter. there's also the stick men who think it courteous to find your "point set" for you before pushing it back to you, and I would think they would catch on as well.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

I wasn't saying he did the same thing I said, I said his way was funny!

 

[moo321]

It's very possible, IF you know what you're doing. The switch with the stooge off the game is going to be the hard part.

Also, you need REALLY good fake dice. I mean REALLY good. There's one they make with rutherfordium because it's so dense. They have dice that are exactly the same shape, they just use a denser paint to influence a number. No way a boxman, or anyone else would recognize it. You'd need a magnifying glass, and you MAY see it if you know what to look for.

You'll want to have a BP betting. If a die goes down, and the shooter suddenly hits a table max 12, this ain't gonna last long. But if BP had the bet down before the dice left the table, it could be done.

Honestly, with a dumb crew, this could be easy to pull off. Not worth it, though. Too many other easier ways to cheat. That, and there's too many legal ways to beat them to bother cheating.

 

[ChefJJ]

Thanks for the great input but someone explain where along the way it wouldn't work.

A stick of 5 casino precision dice are serialized...meaning that those 5 in play have the same serial number printed on all of them.

 

[blackchipjim]

No way Jose'

It's been done and they have been caught. You can't make enough money to warrant the risk. They take pictures and follow the picker upper and the guy shooting.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

It's been done and they have been caught. You can't make enough money to warrant the risk. They take pictures and follow the picker upper and the guy shooting.

I can see the shooter getting hit for this, but all the guy picking the dice up would have to do it wear a hat and hit the door fast after he hands over the dice.

 

[moo321]

You could even have a patsy. Switch the dice when giving them back to the shooter, who is not in the on the play. BP starts betting a few more hard 6's than normal, and slowly grind $50k out of them. If anyone gets busted, it's the guy who brought the dice in, who's not in on it.

Another idea, of course, is to just have a surveillance guy in on it. None of the floor guys are going to see the move, and lots of smaller joints have one surveillance employee on certain shifts. For some odd reason, the move happened in a relative blind spot, and the pan and tilt was looking at blackjack...

 

[aslan]

I know one guy (who I wouldn't want to be seen in public with) who claims to have been in on a cheat at craps. He alleges that the entire craps team was in on it and all he had to do was throw the dice. He says they used magnetic dice with a magnet fixed under the table.

His story may be akin to sexual exploit stories, which are more sex in the head, than sex in the bed. Any of you craps experts know the feasibility of such a plot? As I recall, this was supposedly perpetrated in a foreign country.

 

[Katweezel]

My oh my... aren't there some devious minds here... Surprising how you guys aren't channeling your considerable mental talents into cooking up something with a little more oomph in it. Like the one at Crown in recent times when an Asian gang made their own batch of white chips and got away with a goodly haul before the suits woke up. Hey, what am I saying? Criminal enterprise - like cheating - is a sin that stops you from getting to heaven. Am I right there, Aslan - and I'm surprised to see you mixed up in this. :cry:
Thank Gawd there's no casino spies here. :grin: