Would this dice swap trick work?

[aslan]

My oh my... aren't there some devious minds here... Surprising how you guys aren't channeling your considerable mental talents into cooking up something with a little more oomph in it. Like the one at Crown in recent times when an Asian gang made their own batch of white chips and got away with a goodly haul before the suits woke up. Hey, what am I saying? Criminal enterprise - like cheating - is a sin that stops you from getting to heaven. Am I right there, Aslan - and I'm surprised to see you mixed up in this. :cry:
Thank Gawd there's no casino spies here. :grin:

Cheating casinos is a sin? Oh, my! Who would have guessed? Are you sure? I must go to confession. :whip:

 

[Dyepaintball12]

My oh my... aren't there some devious minds here... Surprising how you guys aren't channeling your considerable mental talents into cooking up something with a little more oomph in it. Like the one at Crown in recent times when an Asian gang made their own batch of white chips and got away with a goodly haul before the suits woke up. Hey, what am I saying? Criminal enterprise - like cheating - is a sin that stops you from getting to heaven. Am I right there, Aslan - and I'm surprised to see you mixed up in this. :cry:
Thank Gawd there's no casino spies here. :grin:

Hmm that is interesting! What counter measures do casinos have against people forging their chips?

All I can think of is they put the chips under some light when you go to cash them in

 

[aslan]

Hmm that is interesting! What counter measures do casinos have against people forging their chips?

All I can think of is they put the chips under some light when you go to cash them in

RFID chips, Dye. http://news.cnet.com/Vegas-casino-bets-on-RFID/2100-7355_3-5568288.html

 

[Katweezel]

Cheating casinos is a sin? Oh, my! Who would have guessed? Are you sure? I must go to confession. :whip:

What I meant to say is that 'cheating' is in the eye of the casino. Crown casino has a long, sordid history of devious tricks, especially when Kerry Packer was alive and kickin heads. I guess when you are in the business of promoting devious tricks, you cop a few yerself. What goes around comes around. Karma. Do unto others. APs are expected to be devious. You gotta out-deviate the deviators... And The Game goes on. Nobody here 'cheats', I'm certain of that...

 

[FLASH1296]

I have a question.

Suppose for the moment that the "Box" person fails to examine the serial number.

What type of single crooked die would you want to switch into the game ?

Explain please..
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Also, there is an interesting 2008 movie (the producer was poker
immortal Phil Ivey — who is a true Craps Degenerate) about a
Professional Dice Mechanic ripping off a downtown L. V. casino.

It is called Yonkers Joe

Worth a look-see.

See: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1018830/

 

[pogostick]

No!

 

[moo321]

I have a question.

Suppose for the moment that the "Box" person fails to examine the serial number.

What type of single crooked die would you want to switch into the game ?

Explain please..
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Also, there is an interesting 2008 movie (the producer was poker
immortal Phil Ivey — who is a true Craps Degenerate) about a
Professional Dice Mechanic ripping off a downtown L. V. casino.

It is called Yonkers Joe

Worth a look-see.

See: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1018830/

Bring a crooked die in that throws sixes, and bet the twelve.

 

[ChefJJ]

Bring a crooked die in that throws sixes, and bet the twelve.

In that case, bet the Field. Four out of your six possible outcomes (9, 10, 11, 12) are there, and the 12 pays double. Not bad for a fantasy world :joker:

 

[Dyepaintball12]

In that case, bet the Field. Four out of your six possible outcomes (9, 10, 11, 12) are there, and the 12 pays double. Not bad for a fantasy world :joker:

That's what I thought too - especially if you find a table where the 12 pays triple.

 

[splice42]

Bring a crooked die in that throws sixes, and bet the twelve.

Bring a dice with all 6s, and those three sixes staring everyone in the face after the dice are rolled will wake up even a dead man.

 

[ChefJJ]

Bring a dice with all 6s, and those three sixes staring everyone in the face after the dice are rolled will wake up even a dead man.

I can't speak for Moo, but I'm pretty sure he means a die that is loaded to roll the six...not one that has nothing but sixes on all faces.

 

[FLASH1296]

Felonious behaviors should not be discussed —but as an
academic exercise I can treat this as a hypothetical situation.

If one of the dies rolls excessive 6's and it somehow passes muster
of the box man's checking the Serial Number when the die comes back
into play the shooter's chances of rolling 6-6 is radically increased.

However any box man worth his salt will wake up if you attempt to roll
a 6-6 hop bet for a large enough amount to make this felony worth while.

I saw someone betting black on hop bets but he was already down
$250,000 so his bets did not "raise the eyebrows" of the box man.

Note: The bet is called a "hop bet" because it is only good for ONE roll
of the dice. and rolling a 6-6 on the "comeout" roll is craps and the dice
must be passed.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

I can't speak for Moo, but I'm pretty sure he means a die that is loaded to roll the six...not one that has nothing but sixes on all faces.

I was about to post the same thing.

And why can't we discuss it? Is it illegal to discuss things like this?

 

[ChefJJ]

Note: The bet is called a "hop bet" because it is only good for ONE roll
of the dice. and rolling a 6-6 on the "comeout" roll is craps and the dice
must be passed.

You've served me up a major league curveball with this one. A comeout craps roll does not result in the dice being passed to the next player (unless the player wishes not to roll again). Only a crap-out 7 during the point cycle ends the shooter's turn.

Despite the 6-6 being a very bad bet, it is a relatively common hedge for comeout rolls...whether in the combination Horn Bet or as a singular 30-1 payout one roll wager (even if the casino doesn't offer the full array of Hop Bets).

 

[FLASH1296]

Yep. My error re: the comeout 6-6. I wasn't thinking.

I have never seen a casino craps table without all of the hop bets offered.

Where have you seen same ?

Yes, peepos sometimes bet "midnight" as a hedge, but at 30-1 $1 is thge standard (but ill-advised) bet, and nobody willing to risk a felony conviction wants to bet a dollar.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

I have played many places in Vegas with NO hop bet options on the felt. No idea why they wouldn't have them.

I think T.I. is an example.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

A way to cheat at craps is to have an accomplice drop some crap (like a full drink, or a toupee) onto the table and onto your dice if he sees you have a bad point. He'd need to be fast, and you could probably help this process by practicing throwing with lag between the two dice.

 

[ChefJJ]

I have never seen a casino craps table without all of the hop bets offered.

Where have you seen same ?

I've seen some that show them all, and some that don't. Common combinations left off the Hop Bet area are those already customary on most all layouts: the 1-1, 1-2, 5-6, and 6-6. Since they are already included as one-roll bets in the center of the layout with the same payouts, duplicates are omitted. In some more uncommon instances, the Hops are represented by overly simple notations.

 

[CrazyEddie]

John Soares, a notorious crossroader, had a dice scam that worked this way: His crew had dice that matched the house's. The shooter in his crew was in cahoots with someone on the other end of the table (a third confederate was the big bettor). The shooter would throw one die, a diversion would be created, and the confederate at the other end would place another die on the table. Soares eventually went to prison and was listed in the black book, but his book is fascinating reading.

When the boxman examines a die that goes off the table, he is not only looking for the correct serial number... when new dice are placed in the game the boxman scratches each die a certain way with a scribe. The unique scratch mark is looked for.

 

[FLASH1296]

The statement ...

"When the boxman examines a die that goes off the table, he is not only looking for the correct serial number... when new dice are placed in the game the boxman scratches each die a certain way with a scribe. The unique scratch mark is looked for."

… is utter nonsense. Maybe 80 or 100 yrs. ago. This is ludicrous.

Incidentally, if you are interested in dice mechanics see the movie "Yonkers Joe", produced by Phil Ivey, immortal poker player, and perhaps the biggest craps shooterer alive. [footnote: last year a Pit Boss told me that when he plays craps in A.C. he always buys in for at least $1,000,000. I also have a covert video of him shooting dice for big money.]

SEE: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1018830/