Wow I almost let myself go lol

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Gambler23

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Should you leave in the middle or start of a negative double deck shoe game or play it out until the shoe is over?
 
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blacksheep

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Gamblor said:
... You can find this info if you know where to look (not a big secret). Hint, which author is foremost in pointing out that even seemingly small differences in penetration makes a huge difference.
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So why don't you just come out and say it if it's no big secret? Why all the unessecary obsfucation? Seems a little like saying: "psst; hey, card counting's out there - but don't tell anybody".
 
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Gamblor

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blacksheep said:
So why don't you just come out and say it if it's no big secret? Why all the unessecary obsfucation? Seems a little like saying: "psst; hey, card counting's out there - but don't tell anybody".
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A high percentage of the readers of this site are casino employees. A high percentage of them have a n00b level understanding of card counting - if you get the know the casinos you'll get this impression too. I think the training for most casino employees regarding counting consists of watching the movie 21. No need to spell it out for these people. Other experienced counters know what I'm talking about, its no big secret.
 
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blacksheep

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Gamblor said:
A high percentage of the readers of this site are casino employees. A high percentage of them have a n00b level understanding of card counting - if you get the know the casinos you'll get this impression too. I think the training for most casino employees regarding counting consists of watching the movie 21. No need to spell it out for these people. Other experienced counters know what I'm talking about, its no big secret.
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I'm well aware of the understanding level of casino employees regarding counting, or even some of the more basic aspects of the game, and highly doubt that their education level on the subjects even approaches the level of the movie "21". Do you really think, then, that those are the types perusing this site and that this sensitive, well known, information needs to be protected from them? This kind of secrecy just seems like overkill sometimes.
 
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blacksheep said:
I'm well aware of the understanding level of casino employees regarding counting, or even some of the more basic aspects of the game, and highly doubt that their education level on the subjects even approaches the level of the movie "21". Do you really think, then, that those are the types perusing this site and that this sensitive, well known, information needs to be protected from them? This kind of secrecy just seems like overkill sometimes.
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Better to be safe then sorry. Yeah overkill at times probably, but again no need to make their jobs any easier. And this kind of obfuscation doesn't really hurt experienced counters. I guess it can go overboard, soon we'll be hinting that its good to bet more at a high count :grin:
 
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Gamblor

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psyduck said:
Do you have evidence or just speculation?
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Speculation of which I have little doubt. Let me put it to you this way, if a casino employee wanted to find out about a topic on AP'ing, where would they eventually wind up.
 
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psyduck

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Gamblor said:
Speculation of which I have little doubt. Let me put it to you this way, if a casino employee wanted to find out about a topic on AP'ing, where would they eventually wind up.
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Understood, but when you say a high percentage of readers here are casino employees, how high do you mean?
 
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AussiePlayer

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blacksheep said:
So why don't you just come out and say it if it's no big secret? Why all the unessecary obsfucation? Seems a little like saying: "psst; hey, card counting's out there - but don't tell anybody".
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There's also an element of 'if you're smart enough to count cards, you should be smart enough to find this info yourself.'
 
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Gambler23 said:
Should you leave in the middle or start of a negative double deck shoe game or play it out until the shoe is over?
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I wong out once the count gets negative and doesn't look like it will recover before shuffle. Leave the table and play with your phone or go to the bathroom (quickly).
 
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Gamblor

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psyduck said:
Understood, but when you say a high percentage of readers here are casino employees, how high do you mean?
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I really have no idea :) High enough we should be careful. Wouldn't it be something if the majority of this site's users are casino employees, and the minority are APs :laugh:
 
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AussiePlayer

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Gamblor said:
Intersting link, think we're on the same page. There's another thread on this site about the Casino Game Protection book. I think maybe a lot of the readers of that book are probably APs :)
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Cellini mentioned surveillance personnel reading sites like this several times in the book
 
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AC232323

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There is not enough evidence to say that a "high percentage" of the readers of this site are casino personnel. A link to an amazon book and a news article about somebody getting beat up is far from proof. Bottom line: it is harmful to this site and its posters to make a statement like yours as if it were fact when it is in reality just speculation that may or may not be true.
 
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AussiePlayer

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AC232323 said:
There is not enough evidence to say that a "high percentage" of the readers of this site are casino personnel. A link to an amazon book and a news article about somebody getting beat up is far from proof. Bottom line: it is harmful to this site and its posters to make a statement like yours as if it were fact when it is in reality just speculation that may or may not be true.
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Have you read Cellini's book? Did you keep reading the thread, past the video where a guy who works at the Casino in question started trying to defend the actions of the security guards? I also disagree with the notion of a 'high percentage' of users being casino personnel, however to think that there are none would be an even bigger mistake.
 
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blacksheep

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AussiePlayer said:
There's also an element of 'if you're smart enough to count cards, you should be smart enough to find this info yourself.'
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Well, I agree with you here too, and actually wasn't looking for the information myself. My thoughts were just that for somebody that's somewhere between a complete noob and an experienced counter maybe it's not so neccessary that they know the handshake to get to info that's supposed to be fairly well known and not so guarded. If it's worth mentioning, and already "out there", we don't always need to deliberately tip-toe around it. There's a point where it just becomes unneccessary is all I'm saying - but, I'm not qualified to define that point either.
 
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