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Ich bin ein ziemlich erfolgreicher Speed Count Spieler, der zum Hi Low System übergegangen ist. Ich sehe, dass das Hi-Low-System ein viel leistungsfähigeres System ist. In vielen der Variationsentscheidungen ist es in einigen Fällen unklar, ob die Zählung richtig ist oder läuft. Bitte beraten Sie mich, wenn möglich. Außerdem bin ich ein Atlantic City BJ-Spieler mit 8 Decks. Sind die oben genannten Regeln fast die gleichen wie für 6 Decks? Michael
Die Strategieindizes beziehen sich alle auf die wahre Anzahl. Das einzige Mal, dass Sie die laufende Zählung verwenden können, ist für die Entscheidung von 16vT, bei der die Indexnummer 0 ist. (Eine wahre Zählung von 0 oder mehr ist dasselbe wie eine laufende Zählung von 0 oder mehr.)
Sie können die gleiche Strategie anwenden und Nummern zwischen 6 und 8 Decks indizieren.
I love the trainer and how helpful it is; is it possible to add a feature explaining when to change from basic strategy? For example, when the true count is negative 2 and you’re deciding to double a hard 9 vs 3(an example off the top of my head, not sure if it makes my point), it would be helpful to see the variation rule come up and not just the basic rule. Great site and thanks for all the info! Ben
I found a bug while playing this morning. Split 10s three times. The first hit was a 9 and I stand with a 19. The second hit was an ace and have a 21, but am unable to proceed because the hit and stand buttons are not available.
I think there was an error in my variation, maybe not though.
The game I am playing is: 6 decks, Hit on Soft 17, Late Surrender, Peek
I had a hard total of 17 with an Ace, 6, 6, 2 against a dealer’s T, my basic strategy chart from this site says to Surrender o/w Stand, since I could not surrender obviously I stood but the coach told me hitting was the best play. Is this an error in the application or something I myself and missing? Thanks a lot. Loving the site.
I guess I have another question. On a Hard 16 with the same rules
6 Decks, DAS, H17, Peek, Insurance Offered
Chart I generated on the site says to Surrender or Stand with a dealer 10 but on a 9 or ace it says surrender or hit, I think I ran into this problem on this application and I looked at other strategy resources and they say to hit. So I guess my question is which one is it?
Für einen grundlegenden Strategiespieler, siehe die Strategie-Engine für die richtigen Spielzüge, wenn der Dealer die weiche 17 trifft.
Wenn Sie sich fragen, wie sich die Indexzahlen der Strategievarianten ändern, so sind viele der Indexzahlen zwischen dem Spiel 6D S17 und dem Spiel 6D H17 gleich. Die meisten der wenigen Unterschiede sind nur ein einziger Punkt hier und da.
Die wichtigste Indexänderung zwischen den Spielen ist 12v6. Im S17-Spiel liegt der Index bei -1. (Bleiben Sie bei -1 oder höher.) Im H17-Spiel ist es wahrscheinlicher, dass der Dealer mit einer Sechs überkauft, und der 12v6-Index fällt bis auf -4. (Bleiben Sie bei -4 oder höher.)
I could never understand this about card counting. If the deck is rich in ten counts and aces…It is said it is too the advantage of the player…..How can it not be advantageous to the dealer if the dealer is drawing cards from the same rich deck ? Please explain.
You are correct in thinking that the dealer is just as likely to get those extra face cards and Aces as you are. But those cards are more valuable for the player for two reasons:
1) If you get a blackjack, you win 3:2. If the dealer gets a blackjack, he only wins even money. 2) The dealer is required to hit all stiff hands, while the player should stand when the dealer upcard is a small card. The dealer therefore busts more often when the deck is rich in face cards.
Thus the good cards help the player more than the dealer, and that’s why card counting works.
You say “…in your blackjack lessons that you should take insurance when the count gets to 1.3 or so…” Any idea where you saw that? If it’s mentioned somewhere it is certainly a mistake and needs to be corrected.
Yeah, I guess that’s believable. Stranger things that one expects are conceivable can happen by chance. I do remember this one time I played monopoly, we played for like an hour and fully one out of every 6 rolls was double-6, and that wasn’t on any computer, they were real dice, And I just got my clock cleaned by a casino. I’d win 25 dollar bet (min bet on the 2 deck game) after 25 dollar bet after 25 dollar bet when the count was negative or not positive enough, I endured another player with a superiority complex (ironic) chastising me for being too “afraid” to play basic strategy (sure, it was fear that made me deviate from basic strategy), constantly griping at me for messing up his game by “playing badly” (like standing on 16 against a 10 when the count was like +7), and eventually actually PAYING me 25 dollars to LEAVE the table (!!!), then the count would get high and I’d bet 50, or 100, this one time the count got to +13 with 1.3 decks left I reckoned, I doubled down on 10 against 10 with 200 on the table, and of course I got a frigging 2, and the dealer got the 10 of course…. and then the EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED AGAIN NEXT HAND! And at the end of the day, 3500 dollars down (with 500 left), security came to my table and said “we believe you are an advantage player” and invited me to play any game but blackjack. Gee. THAT was fun. It’s hard to believe that I supposedly really did have an advantage, but I did a calculation and it turned out that risk of ruin was minimized by betting 54 dollars for every 1 the true count was past 1.8 (or betting as if I had about 15000 dollars regardless of the amount I actually had), and that risk of ruin was about 76% starting from 5000 dollars, so I did know it could go that badly pretty easily but damn it sure seemed like some deity had a grudge with me. But what can I do, no one would ever hire me for an actual job. What happens whenever I touch the stock market? 2008 happens is what happens. I just suck at everything.
Oh, by the way, you say on your website in your blackjack lessons that you should take insurance when the count gets to 1.3 or so. This is wrong. The actually correct answer is actually exactly 3 and a third. Or if you want to maximize utility (expectation on a logarithmic scale, a.k.a. kelly optimality) 3.29 since the insurance bet has negative correlation with the result of the main bet. You’d think it would drop more than from 3.33 to 3.29, but nope, that’s all.
Ich bin ein ziemlich erfolgreicher Speed Count Spieler, der zum Hi Low System übergegangen ist. Ich sehe, dass das Hi-Low-System ein viel leistungsfähigeres System ist. In vielen der Variationsentscheidungen ist es in einigen Fällen unklar, ob die Zählung richtig ist oder läuft. Bitte beraten Sie mich, wenn möglich. Außerdem bin ich ein Atlantic City BJ-Spieler mit 8 Decks. Sind die oben genannten Regeln fast die gleichen wie für 6 Decks?
Michael
Die Strategieindizes beziehen sich alle auf die wahre Anzahl. Das einzige Mal, dass Sie die laufende Zählung verwenden können, ist für die Entscheidung von 16vT, bei der die Indexnummer 0 ist. (Eine wahre Zählung von 0 oder mehr ist dasselbe wie eine laufende Zählung von 0 oder mehr.)
Sie können die gleiche Strategie anwenden und Nummern zwischen 6 und 8 Decks indizieren.
I love the trainer and how helpful it is; is it possible to add a feature explaining when to change from basic strategy? For example, when the true count is negative 2 and you’re deciding to double a hard 9 vs 3(an example off the top of my head, not sure if it makes my point), it would be helpful to see the variation rule come up and not just the basic rule.
Great site and thanks for all the info!
Ben
Count-based strategy variations are on my list for consideration in the next version, so it may happen. Thanks for the feedback!
Very Nice! Use your site a lot; Very precise. Thank you!
Great game.
I found a bug while playing this morning. Split 10s three times. The first hit was a 9 and I stand with a 19. The second hit was an ace and have a 21, but am unable to proceed because the hit and stand buttons are not available.
Thanks for the report. That sounds familiar as a bug. I’ll make sure the same problem doesn’t happen with the new version being developed.
I think there was an error in my variation, maybe not though.
The game I am playing is: 6 decks, Hit on Soft 17, Late Surrender, Peek
I had a hard total of 17 with an Ace, 6, 6, 2 against a dealer’s T, my basic strategy chart from this site says to Surrender o/w Stand, since I could not surrender obviously I stood but the coach told me hitting was the best play. Is this an error in the application or something I myself and missing? Thanks a lot. Loving the site.
I think I see the problem…
(Ace,6,6,2) is hard 15, not hard 17. Yep, you should hit that against a dealer ten. 🙂
I guess I have another question. On a Hard 16 with the same rules
6 Decks, DAS, H17, Peek, Insurance Offered
Chart I generated on the site says to Surrender or Stand with a dealer 10 but on a 9 or ace it says surrender or hit, I think I ran into this problem on this application and I looked at other strategy resources and they say to hit. So I guess my question is which one is it?
You are referring to this chart:
https://www.blackjackinfo.com/blackjack-basic-strategy-engine/?numdecks=6&soft17=h17&dbl=all&das=yes&surr=ls&peek=yes
and its surprising advice with 16vT. The chart says “RS” which is Surrender if possible, else Stand.
Yet almost all other strategy charts (including my own plastic cards!) say you should hit 16vT in this game.
Which is right? They both are. It’s complicated.
In fact, I wrote a whole article about it a year ago… See 16vT: RS WTF?!
Thank you, informative article indeed.
Haha, woooow silly me. Sorry.
Also Double After Split is allowed, insurance is offered on dealer’s ace if that matters.
Hier im Mittleren Süden und an der Golfküste - Händler treffen A,6 - stehen sie nicht.
Wie wirkt sich dieser Prozess auf die "Verdoppelung" aus?
Für einen grundlegenden Strategiespieler, siehe die Strategie-Engine für die richtigen Spielzüge, wenn der Dealer die weiche 17 trifft.
Wenn Sie sich fragen, wie sich die Indexzahlen der Strategievarianten ändern, so sind viele der Indexzahlen zwischen dem Spiel 6D S17 und dem Spiel 6D H17 gleich.
Die meisten der wenigen Unterschiede sind nur ein einziger Punkt hier und da.
Die wichtigste Indexänderung zwischen den Spielen ist 12v6. Im S17-Spiel liegt der Index bei -1. (Bleiben Sie bei -1 oder höher.) Im H17-Spiel ist es wahrscheinlicher, dass der Dealer mit einer Sechs überkauft, und der 12v6-Index fällt bis auf -4. (Bleiben Sie bei -4 oder höher.)
Meine Erweiterte Strategiekarten haben die Indexzahlen für alle diese Spiele optimiert.
I could never understand this about card counting. If the deck is rich in ten counts and aces…It is said it is too the advantage of the player…..How can it not be advantageous to the dealer if the dealer is drawing cards from the same rich deck ? Please explain.
You are correct in thinking that the dealer is just as likely to get those extra face cards and Aces as you are. But those cards are more valuable for the player for two reasons:
1) If you get a blackjack, you win 3:2. If the dealer gets a blackjack, he only wins even money.
2) The dealer is required to hit all stiff hands, while the player should stand when the dealer upcard is a small card. The dealer therefore busts more often when the deck is rich in face cards.
Thus the good cards help the player more than the dealer, and that’s why card counting works.
You say “…in your blackjack lessons that you should take insurance when the count gets to 1.3 or so…”
Any idea where you saw that? If it’s mentioned somewhere it is certainly a mistake and needs to be corrected.
In the School, the lesson at https://www.blackjackinfo.com/blackjack-school/lesson-13-advanced-course-part-1/ correctly includes this:
“If you are playing at a six deck game, insurance is worthwhile when the true count is 3 or higher.”
Yeah, I guess that’s believable. Stranger things that one expects are conceivable can happen by chance. I do remember this one time I played monopoly, we played for like an hour and fully one out of every 6 rolls was double-6, and that wasn’t on any computer, they were real dice, And I just got my clock cleaned by a casino. I’d win 25 dollar bet (min bet on the 2 deck game) after 25 dollar bet after 25 dollar bet when the count was negative or not positive enough, I endured another player with a superiority complex (ironic) chastising me for being too “afraid” to play basic strategy (sure, it was fear that made me deviate from basic strategy), constantly griping at me for messing up his game by “playing badly” (like standing on 16 against a 10 when the count was like +7), and eventually actually PAYING me 25 dollars to LEAVE the table (!!!), then the count would get high and I’d bet 50, or 100, this one time the count got to +13 with 1.3 decks left I reckoned, I doubled down on 10 against 10 with 200 on the table, and of course I got a frigging 2, and the dealer got the 10 of course…. and then the EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED AGAIN NEXT HAND! And at the end of the day, 3500 dollars down (with 500 left), security came to my table and said “we believe you are an advantage player” and invited me to play any game but blackjack. Gee. THAT was fun. It’s hard to believe that I supposedly really did have an advantage, but I did a calculation and it turned out that risk of ruin was minimized by betting 54 dollars for every 1 the true count was past 1.8 (or betting as if I had about 15000 dollars regardless of the amount I actually had), and that risk of ruin was about 76% starting from 5000 dollars, so I did know it could go that badly pretty easily but damn it sure seemed like some deity had a grudge with me. But what can I do, no one would ever hire me for an actual job. What happens whenever I touch the stock market? 2008 happens is what happens. I just suck at everything.
Oh, by the way, you say on your website in your blackjack lessons that you should take insurance when the count gets to 1.3 or so. This is wrong. The actually correct answer is actually exactly 3 and a third. Or if you want to maximize utility (expectation on a logarithmic scale, a.k.a. kelly optimality) 3.29 since the insurance bet has negative correlation with the result of the main bet. You’d think it would drop more than from 3.33 to 3.29, but nope, that’s all.