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Hi,i have been playing in Macau and according to some website the house edge there is only about -0.09%(with proper basic stratergy),1/6 penertration.I was wondering if the game is beatable with large enough bet spread since the house edge is so low…thx!
Almost any game is beatable with a large enough spread. Is it beatable in practice? You would really need to sim this and see what kind of spread it would take. I assume by “1/6”, you mean they are dealing only one deck of out six before shuffling (or before putting the discards into a continuous shuffle machine). That’s a tough game, and even if it is beatable with a huge spread, there should be better opportunities for you elsewhere.
thanks a lot man! you have been quite helpful. One last question: Is it possible that the casino, to increase their profit rate, put just a bit more small cards in the shoe so as to increase their edge?
Possible? Yes, but very unlikely. Fortunately, most games still spread the decks and examine them when they open the table. Get there and watch yourself to make sure the cards are as they should be. If they don’t spread the cards when opening new decks, you have a right to be suspicious.
I was thinking that “-0.09%,even a running count of 1 at the beginning,which is a true count of 1/6 can easily turn the table, since a true count of 1 will give you an advantage of at least 0.8%(according to blackjackincolor) ,that means 1/6 can give you an edge of 0.13%” Is that mathematically right?
I was surprised by the BlackjackInColor information saying that true +1 adds 0.79%, but after some thought it makes sense. In most games, that’s no big deal since the starting house edge is usually much closer to half a percent.
However, you can’t assume that a true count of 1/6 will deliver 1/6 of that 0.79%, because as that same chart shows, the effect is non-linear.
The only reliable way to know is to sim it. (I recommend CVData, although I no longer keep it in inventory at my site. Here’s a link to it at the publisher’s site.)
If your starting house edge of only 0.09% is accurate, it won’t take much to tip the scales.
I can’t imagine the game is going to yield much of an hourly return, even with a pretty large bet spread.
Sono uno studente magistrale che studia ingegneria in Olanda e sono anche un giocatore di strategia di base. È un peccato che anche i casinò in Olanda abbiano già introdotto la CSM.
Ho continuato a perdere per 3 giorni, in realtà perdere soldi non è la cosa peggiore che mi preoccupa, perché sono convinto che a lungo termine, la matematica è a mio favore. La cosa che mi ha reso davvero triste è che un uomo come me non è ben accetto nel casinò. I croupier, ovviamente, cercano sempre di sbarazzarsi di me al tavolo, e i fessi danno sempre la colpa delle loro perdite a me. Per esempio, ho un 16 e il dealer mostra un 10, io colpisco e ottengo un 2, poi il dealer prende un 10 (il dealer prende solo una carta al primo turno, il che significa che se non colpisco, il dealer potrebbe fare bust). Quando questa situazione accade, tutti gli altri tavoli si arrabbiano molto e cercano di insegnarmi a giocare. È ovvio che io e questi stupidi babbei viviamo in un mondo diverso, il che significa che non ho bisogno di spiegare nulla perché loro non sanno nemmeno cosa sia il vantaggio della casa. E se a volte sono sfortunato e i babbei vincono dei soldi con le loro maniere sbagliate, possono essere ancora più arroganti e fare la voce grossa. Questo è il momento più buio per me, perché mi daranno un esempio stupido. I babbei pensano che un giocatore di BS sia un babbeo e danno la colpa a loro, che mondo!!!
I enjoy your blackjack game. It helps me control the urge between trips to the casino.
I really appreciate the Android app. I asked several months ago when an app for my Samsung tablet would be available. You promised it was in the works. Thanks for following through.
The comments that are being posted are spread out over many different pages.
I think I need to show recent comments on the home page to try to pull things together a bit and let users see what is being discussed. I’m just trying to figure out the best place to put it. Thanks!
Hi there,
I am very very new player…as I am interested in the game and learning basic, do some research. I wonder if there are many casino use the shoe to shuffle card or the continuous machine? How about in Canada?
The answers to 2 and 4 would change with peek, right? Split on A/A and 8/8 with dealer’s A. And I do understand how vulnerable all players are with European style no peek. If I notice anything interesting or advantageous, I’ll post here.
Hi,i have been playing in Macau and according to some website the house edge there is only about -0.09%(with proper basic stratergy),1/6 penertration.I was wondering if the game is beatable with large enough bet spread since the house edge is so low…thx!
Almost any game is beatable with a large enough spread. Is it beatable in practice? You would really need to sim this and see what kind of spread it would take. I assume by “1/6”, you mean they are dealing only one deck of out six before shuffling (or before putting the discards into a continuous shuffle machine). That’s a tough game, and even if it is beatable with a huge spread, there should be better opportunities for you elsewhere.
How about Vegas? Are most of the casino using CSM now? Is it possible to count cards there?
Sure, Vegas still has lots of non-CSM games, as do most areas of the US.
thanks a lot man! you have been quite helpful. One last question: Is it possible that the casino, to increase their profit rate, put just a bit more small cards in the shoe so as to increase their edge?
Possible? Yes, but very unlikely. Fortunately, most games still spread the decks and examine them when they open the table. Get there and watch yourself to make sure the cards are as they should be. If they don’t spread the cards when opening new decks, you have a right to be suspicious.
I was thinking that “-0.09%,even a running count of 1 at the beginning,which is a true count of 1/6 can easily turn the table, since a true count of 1 will give you an advantage of at least 0.8%(according to blackjackincolor) ,that means 1/6 can give you an edge of 0.13%” Is that mathematically right?
I was surprised by the BlackjackInColor information saying that true +1 adds 0.79%, but after some thought it makes sense. In most games, that’s no big deal since the starting house edge is usually much closer to half a percent.
However, you can’t assume that a true count of 1/6 will deliver 1/6 of that 0.79%, because as that same chart shows, the effect is non-linear.
The only reliable way to know is to sim it. (I recommend CVData, although I no longer keep it in inventory at my site. Here’s a link to it at the publisher’s site.)
If your starting house edge of only 0.09% is accurate, it won’t take much to tip the scales.
I can’t imagine the game is going to yield much of an hourly return, even with a pretty large bet spread.
Caro Ken,
Sono uno studente magistrale che studia ingegneria in Olanda e sono anche un giocatore di strategia di base. È un peccato che anche i casinò in Olanda abbiano già introdotto la CSM.
Ho continuato a perdere per 3 giorni, in realtà perdere soldi non è la cosa peggiore che mi preoccupa, perché sono convinto che a lungo termine, la matematica è a mio favore. La cosa che mi ha reso davvero triste è che un uomo come me non è ben accetto nel casinò. I croupier, ovviamente, cercano sempre di sbarazzarsi di me al tavolo, e i fessi danno sempre la colpa delle loro perdite a me. Per esempio, ho un 16 e il dealer mostra un 10, io colpisco e ottengo un 2, poi il dealer prende un 10 (il dealer prende solo una carta al primo turno, il che significa che se non colpisco, il dealer potrebbe fare bust). Quando questa situazione accade, tutti gli altri tavoli si arrabbiano molto e cercano di insegnarmi a giocare. È ovvio che io e questi stupidi babbei viviamo in un mondo diverso, il che significa che non ho bisogno di spiegare nulla perché loro non sanno nemmeno cosa sia il vantaggio della casa. E se a volte sono sfortunato e i babbei vincono dei soldi con le loro maniere sbagliate, possono essere ancora più arroganti e fare la voce grossa. Questo è il momento più buio per me, perché mi daranno un esempio stupido. I babbei pensano che un giocatore di BS sia un babbeo e danno la colpa a loro, che mondo!!!
Saluti,
ZHANG
Non c'è una soluzione semplice. Cercate solo di ignorarli il più possibile. Buona fortuna.
I enjoy your blackjack game. It helps me control the urge between trips to the casino.
I really appreciate the Android app. I asked several months ago when an app for my Samsung tablet would be available. You promised it was in the works. Thanks for following through.
I misunderstood the app link – I thought it was you. I retract all my kudos and return to waiting mode.
Retraction accepted. 🙂
Now that the new site work is complete, the new trainer is my next big project. I’m doing research for it now.
No entries since mine of 1/19/15! Did I kill the blog?
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The comments that are being posted are spread out over many different pages.
I think I need to show recent comments on the home page to try to pull things together a bit and let users see what is being discussed. I’m just trying to figure out the best place to put it. Thanks!
Hi there,
I am very very new player…as I am interested in the game and learning basic, do some research. I wonder if there are many casino use the shoe to shuffle card or the continuous machine? How about in Canada?
I totally agree about the casino’s black jack house rules 6:5 cast out.
Correct. Answers 2 and 4 change with peek. Here’s the chart:
https://www.blackjackinfo.com/blackjack-basic-strategy-engine/?numdecks=8&soft17=s17&dbl=all&das=yes&surr=ns&peek=yes
The answers to 2 and 4 would change with peek, right? Split on A/A and 8/8 with dealer’s A. And I do understand how vulnerable all players are with European style no peek. If I notice anything interesting or advantageous, I’ll post here.
Very helpful. Many thanks.