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Single deck, S17, DAS, 15 vs 10. According to your B.S. generator I should hit, but this tells me I should surrender. What it the correct play? Does the discrepancy have to do with hand composition? (I had king-5)
The correct strategy is hit. I checked the source for the trainer, and it does appear this is a bug. In 2 or more decks S17 LS, you should surrender 15vT. In 1 deck S17 LS, you should hit. The trainer is inaccurate, only in the one deck version. Thanks for pointing this out. I’ll make sure it is corrected in the new software.
As the GameMaster writes, in the 6D S17 game, you should stand with A7vA at TC +1 or higher. (Note that in H17 games, you should ALWAYS hit, no matter what the count.) You ask what is the logic behind the index of +1 in S17 games? Well, fewer small cards make standing better in two different ways. Fewer sixes mean less chance that the dealer has a six in the hole to give you an immediate win. And fewer 2s and 3s mean less chance of improving your A7 hand by hitting. But generally, don’t worry too much about the “why” of index numbers or basic strategy. It just is what it is. Thanks to this question, I also just discovered that my Advanced Strategy cards are missing this index! The next printing will correct that.
Ahh, that makes sense. I was thinking there would be no harm in a hitting if the odds were high that you would receive a 10. However, I suppose is there is still a good chance of receiving a 7, 8, or 9, which would put you in a bad situation with a positive count. Thanks!
Yes, basic strategy is the best way to play your hands, whether shuffled by hand or by machine, including continuous shuffle machines. As for card counting, continuous shuffle machines eliminate the ability to count cards, but regular shuffle machines do not.
Was in Vegas May 20-23. Bally’s has 3-2, 8 deck shoe, DH soft 17 & surrender. Started at $10 and progressively increased to $25 before I left. No grandfathering of bets though.
Last time I played in Missouri may have been 15 years ago. At that time, they still had a $500/hour buyin limit (I think that was abolished long ago.) The games were fine though. I can’t say about the current situation. Let us know what you find.
WOW! Vegas is absolute shit now! And I keep dreaming about going there and trying out their blackjack tables. I currently reside in Hong Kong so I go to Macau to play and they have some, what I feel, pretty awesome rules namely: 50% surrender (unless dealer shows ace), black jack even pay (if you choose 1 to 1 surrender), Push on dealer and player blackjack, BJ pay out is 3-2, doubling after splitting is allowed, can double on any hand (some casinos only allows you to double at 11). And no tipping (house rules); if you tip, it goes directly to the casino.
I also went to Singapore Universal Studios and they have a casino there. They play Pontoon which is pretty awesome as well. All rules are the same except no “50% surrender of hands” but they have a nice perk of any 21 or black jack is an auto-win. So, for example, if dealer is showing an “A” and you have 10 and 2 and draw a 9 to reach a total of “21”, then you collect right away. How awesome is that!?
Anyway, I’ve only started playing recently. Good luck guys!
Fortunately that kind of plummeting true count doesn’t happen often in 6 deck games, so it doesn’t come up that often. (For example, in the middle of a shoe with 3 decks left, the running count would need to drop 18 points in one hand.) Less extreme drops happen all the time of course. I tend to just drop my bet anyway, regardless of whether I won the last hand. If you feel compelled to leave a bigger bet out for cover reasons, I would try to do so only occasionally, mixing it up.
So going back to my original question, how often do you stick to your betting schedule? If the count is 6 and I bet £120, I win and now the count is 0, is it better to leave the table than to bet £10?
Send me the counting cards
Whats the veriation for dealer must hit soft 17? I would lile that chart if possible. Thanx
I don’t currently have the H17 indexes published on the site anywhere. You can get them on my Advanced Strategy Cards if you want.
Single deck, S17, DAS, 15 vs 10. According to your B.S. generator I should hit, but this tells me I should surrender. What it the correct play? Does the discrepancy have to do with hand composition? (I had king-5)
The correct strategy is hit. I checked the source for the trainer, and it does appear this is a bug.
In 2 or more decks S17 LS, you should surrender 15vT. In 1 deck S17 LS, you should hit.
The trainer is inaccurate, only in the one deck version.
Thanks for pointing this out. I’ll make sure it is corrected in the new software.
Here’s the accurate strategy chart you mentioned…
https://www.blackjackinfo.com/blackjack-basic-strategy-engine/?numdecks=1&soft17=s17&dbl=all&das=yes&surr=ls&peek=yes
Can somebody please explain the logic behind staying on A,7 vs A with a TC of 1 or greater? Thanks
As the GameMaster writes, in the 6D S17 game, you should stand with A7vA at TC +1 or higher.
(Note that in H17 games, you should ALWAYS hit, no matter what the count.)
You ask what is the logic behind the index of +1 in S17 games?
Well, fewer small cards make standing better in two different ways. Fewer sixes mean less chance that the dealer has a six in the hole to give you an immediate win. And fewer 2s and 3s mean less chance of improving your A7 hand by hitting.
But generally, don’t worry too much about the “why” of index numbers or basic strategy. It just is what it is.
Thanks to this question, I also just discovered that my Advanced Strategy cards are missing this index! The next printing will correct that.
Ahh, that makes sense. I was thinking there would be no harm in a hitting if the odds were high that you would receive a 10. However, I suppose is there is still a good chance of receiving a 7, 8, or 9, which would put you in a bad situation with a positive count. Thanks!
8 Decks Machine wash You can use it
Yes, basic strategy is the best way to play your hands, whether shuffled by hand or by machine, including continuous shuffle machines.
As for card counting, continuous shuffle machines eliminate the ability to count cards, but regular shuffle machines do not.
thanks
Was in Vegas May 20-23. Bally’s has 3-2, 8 deck shoe, DH soft 17 & surrender. Started at $10 and progressively increased to $25 before I left. No grandfathering of bets though.
I plan on going to the Missouri casinos for blackjack. Are they beatable in the long run?
Last time I played in Missouri may have been 15 years ago. At that time, they still had a $500/hour buyin limit (I think that was abolished long ago.)
The games were fine though. I can’t say about the current situation. Let us know what you find.
Just to be sure.. 15 vs 8 – Stand at 10 or higher, you mean the running count right? I’m confused ..
I’ve seen suggestions that one should surrender a hard 15 to dealer 10, except when player’s 15 is (7,8). Is this true? If so, why?
WOW! Vegas is absolute shit now! And I keep dreaming about going there and trying out their blackjack tables. I currently reside in Hong Kong so I go to Macau to play and they have some, what I feel, pretty awesome rules namely: 50% surrender (unless dealer shows ace), black jack even pay (if you choose 1 to 1 surrender), Push on dealer and player blackjack, BJ pay out is 3-2, doubling after splitting is allowed, can double on any hand (some casinos only allows you to double at 11). And no tipping (house rules); if you tip, it goes directly to the casino.
I also went to Singapore Universal Studios and they have a casino there. They play Pontoon which is pretty awesome as well. All rules are the same except no “50% surrender of hands” but they have a nice perk of any 21 or black jack is an auto-win. So, for example, if dealer is showing an “A” and you have 10 and 2 and draw a 9 to reach a total of “21”, then you collect right away. How awesome is that!?
Anyway, I’ve only started playing recently. Good luck guys!
Fortunately that kind of plummeting true count doesn’t happen often in 6 deck games, so it doesn’t come up that often. (For example, in the middle of a shoe with 3 decks left, the running count would need to drop 18 points in one hand.) Less extreme drops happen all the time of course. I tend to just drop my bet anyway, regardless of whether I won the last hand. If you feel compelled to leave a bigger bet out for cover reasons, I would try to do so only occasionally, mixing it up.
So going back to my original question, how often do you stick to your betting schedule? If the count is 6 and I bet £120, I win and now the count is 0, is it better to leave the table than to bet £10?
Thanks Ken, must have misread the advice.
I’d better find a place with a £5 minimum or save up another £3k then!