LVHCM Challenge

LVHCM -

If I click on you and look at 'all posts by user' I would have to agree with others in that you haven't posted anything of value. All you have done is swear and make fun of the other posters. If I google LVHCM I see that you (assuming the same user) post on many other message boards that deal with blackjack. On the other message boards I read a lot of the same - you ripping on people, calling them fakes, names, etc. But I also learned that you are supposed to be a very skilled hole carder and that interests me. So my challenge to you is this : answer some questions I have for you and DON'T be a jerk. Don't reply with "I don't have to prove myself here - anyone who knows me knows my skill". I've read that crap from you and don't need to see it again. I will be more surprised if you answer and give useful info than if you don't. So here goes.

Questions:
1) Do you count cards or only hole-card? How long have you been doing this for?
2) Where did you learn your skill? From a book or were you taught by someone?
3) Would I be better off learning hole-carding and forget about counting?
4) Why do you say 6/5 BJ is better than 3/2? I don't see how it could be.
5) Where would you recommend I start in order to learn the skill that you have?

That's all the questions I have for know. If you answer these it may raise more in my mind and I'll ask those later.

Step up to the plate and take my simple challenge.

person1125 said:

4) Why do you say 6/5 BJ is better than 3/2? I don't see how it could be.

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For the very reason that you made this post/challenge! zg

For some advanced techniques, a plethora of 6:5 SD games is desirable because you can get away with large spreads. For counting, it is not.

It makes no sense for anyone to make a statement like "6:5 is better" if he is not willing to explain the techniques he is using. Does anybody really want me to go there, here? The statement betrays a lack of professionalism.

Automatic Monkey said:

It makes no sense for anyone to make a statement like "6:5 is better" if he is not willing to explain the techniques he is using. Does anybody really want me to go there, here? The statement betrays a lack of professionalism.

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Here, I'll let the cat out of the bag on this one - 6/5 was a boon to holecard players because there was a resurgence of handheld games dealt by shoe-trained dealers, many of whom were arrogant Strip dealers who weren't adequately protecting their game! zg

.....6-5 WAS a boon......
Does that mean the boon is in the past?

shadroch said:

.....6-5 WAS a boon......
Does that mean the boon is in the past?

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Well, the more people who know.... zg

zengrifter said:

Well, the more people who know.... zg

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All of the 6:5 games in AC and most of the ones I've seen in other places are American NHC and use a shuffle machine. In AC they are even dealt face-up so they're not even good for a bender/dauber.

This is what I figured - given a chance to give positive feedback LVHCM doesn't. Maybe he got stuck under a blackjack table trying to see the hole card. :grin:

Automatic Monkey said:

All of the 6:5 games in AC and most of the ones I've seen in other places are American NHC and use a shuffle machine. In AC they are even dealt face-up so they're not even good for a bender/dauber.

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Thanks for sharing. Maybe you've heard of this place called Nevada. Wait, let me help you out. Here you go. Well, in this place are some cities called Las Vegas and Reno. I don't know if you've heard of these places of if you go out and actually gamble, but I assure you that they have quite a few hand-held games. It may even surprise you to learn that Las Vegas is the gambling capital of the United States! Not Atlantic City. So, instead of constructing foolish strawmen, why not do a little thinking about the topic before you post. When it first arrived on the scene, 6:5 was the greatest thing to happen to blackjack in years. It's possible that it still maintains that distinction even now, years later.

I have never understood why card counters get so bent out of shape about 6:5 blackjack. Do you know what you can do when you find a table that has 6:5? Not play! Novel concept, huh? You can still go play the shoes or the double decks or move along to another casino. Does it really hurt your earn that much when a place like the MGM has six of its dozens of blackjack tables converted to 6:5? One thing I've noticed is that actual, skilled, professional card counters do the same thing now that they did before 6:5 -- get the money. They don't whine on messageboards or go on crusades to fight against the evils of 6:5. They're still out spreading from big to huge and taking down scores while other skilled players are simultaneously obliterating 6:5 with myriad other techniques.

Craps Master said:

Thanks for sharing. Maybe you've heard of this place called Nevada. Wait, let me help you out. Here you go. Well, in this place are some cities called Las Vegas and Reno. I don't know if you've heard of these places of if you go out and actually gamble, but I assure you that they have quite a few hand-held games. It may even surprise you to learn that Las Vegas is the gambling capital of the United States! Not Atlantic City. So, instead of constructing foolish strawmen, why not do a little thinking about the topic before you post. When it first arrived on the scene, 6:5 was the greatest thing to happen to blackjack in years. It's possible that it still maintains that distinction even now, years later.

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Sorry, I'm not into gambling. So I wouldn't know anything about it. I live in the East, so I get most of my advantage play in, in the East. Which means generally I don't care how they do it in Las Vegas.

Craps Master said:

I have never understood why card counters get so bent out of shape about 6:5 blackjack. Do you know what you can do when you find a table that has 6:5? Not play! Novel concept, huh? You can still go play the shoes or the double decks or move along to another casino. Does it really hurt your earn that much when a place like the MGM has six of its dozens of blackjack tables converted to 6:5? One thing I've noticed is that actual, skilled, professional card counters do the same thing now that they did before 6:5 -- get the money. They don't whine on messageboards or go on crusades to fight against the evils of 6:5. They're still out spreading from big to huge and taking down scores while other skilled players are simultaneously obliterating 6:5 with myriad other techniques.

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Who's getting bent out of shape about it? I was discussing with ZG that 6:5 as it is dealt in AC is not readily playable with any of those techniques, even the illegal ones. I discuss the relative merits of all forms and variants of blackjack here. So Foxtrot Oscar.

Automatic Monkey said:

So Foxtrot Oscar.

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I got a laugh out of Tango Hotel Alpha Tango!

Craps Master said:

I have never understood why card counters get so bent out of shape about 6:5 blackjack.

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Catch Cancer soon enough and the survival rate is high. Ignore it and let it spread and you're done for.

Speaking of Cancer; you have now made three posts and they have all been nasty and sound exactly like LVHCM.

QFIT said:

Catch Cancer soon enough and the survival rate is high. Ignore it and let it spread and you're done for.

Speaking of Cancer; you have now made three posts and they have all been nasty and sound exactly like LVHCM.

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The only thing is 6:5 blackjack is only cancer for the uneducated, and can be gold for the skilled.

Automatic Monkey said:

Sorry, I'm not into gambling. So I wouldn't know anything about it. I live in the East, so I get most of my advantage play in, in the East. Which means generally I don't care how they do it in Las Vegas.

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Not into gambling but you are into semantics? Okay, I can play this game. Advantage play is gambling. It's a subset of gambling. You are into gambling if you're into advantage play. Like it or not, if you play a hand of blackjack, even with an edge, it's an aleatory activity in that it still relies on chance. There's no escaping that with a card counting system, as any advantage player who has had a losing session can attest.

Who's getting bent out of shape about it? I was discussing with ZG that 6:5 as it is dealt in AC is not readily playable with any of those techniques, even the illegal ones. I discuss the relative merits of all forms and variants of blackjack here. So Foxtrot Oscar.

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Actually, you can still beat 6:5 as it is dealt in Atlantic City, and you don't even have to do anything illegal or count cards. You're just not very imaginative, I guess, and it's laughable that you think you discuss the relative merits of all forms of blackjack when you can't even surmise how to beat the Atlantic City 6:5 games legally. So, Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform, Foxtrot Alfa Golf.

Craps Master said:

Advantage play is gambling. It's a subset of gambling. You are into gambling if you're into advantage play. Like it or not, if you play a hand of blackjack, even with an edge, it's an aleatory activity in that it still relies on chance. There's no escaping that with a card counting system, as any advantage player who has had a losing session can attest.

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Well put. There are no guarantees in a casino.

I think YOU should roll with the Anthony Curtis pic though.

good luck--we all need it

QFIT said:

Catch Cancer soon enough and the survival rate is high. Ignore it and let it spread and you're done for.

Speaking of Cancer; you have now made three posts and they have all been nasty and sound exactly like LVHCM.

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A shitty analogy. I could come back with "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger," but that would be equally trite. Wouldn't it? Besides which, there are some people who make a killing off of cancer. Just be a surgeon or radiologist, and don't be a victim. Anyway, you and your anti-6:5 ilk are just like all the other Chicken Little fear-mongers with which the advantage play community has been innundated for decades. "Oh no, shuffle machines. Oh no, CSMs. Oh no, facial recognition. Oh no, Mindplay. Oh no, BJ Survey Voice. Oh no, 6:5." Guess what, guy... advantage players, the real ones are still making a killing in the casinos, some now more than ever. You and your kind should actually learn a little Zen, like your local post champion here: Pessimism never won any battles.

Please enjoy the free advice.

Craps Master said:

Actually, you can still beat 6:5 as it is dealt in Atlantic City, and you don't even have to do anything illegal or count cards.

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Have you figured out a way to beat craps too?

Craps Master said:

....Actually, you can still beat 6:5 as it is dealt in Atlantic City, and you don't even have to do anything illegal or count cards. You're just not very imaginative, I guess, and it's laughable that you think you discuss the relative merits of all forms of blackjack when you can't even surmise how to beat the Atlantic City 6:5 games legally. So, Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform, Foxtrot Alfa Golf.

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Uh oh, I think I hear a post about card flow or hot tables coming on.

All right, I say AC 6:5 is not beatable except with counting and a very large spread. If you claim otherwise, substantiate your claim.

supercoolmancool said:

Have you figured out a way to beat craps too?

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There are quite a few ways to beat craps. More than one of which are legal. Imagine that, huh?

Automatic Monkey said:

Uh oh, I think I hear a post about card flow or hot tables coming on.

All right, I say AC 6:5 is not beatable except with counting and a very large spread. If you claim otherwise, substantiate your claim.

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If card flow and hot tables are the best you can do when trying to come up with a creative solution to the AC 6:5 problem, then I don't think you're intelligent enough to understand how to get an edge at those same games without counting. Seriously... just stick to the junior varsity BS and 6:5 whining, because that's probably the best you're ever going to do.

Try harder, and I might give you some professional-level feedback.