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KewlJ

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moraine said:
Maybe, Newbies SHOULD WORK EVEN HARDER TO PROVIDE MORE food for thought to the experienced.
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Problem is you are NOT a newbie. You are a "recycled" voodoo theorist, challenging the mathematics that IS card counting, and the players that have recorded success using these sound mathematical principals.

Experienced players that have enjoyed success, don't mind helping and trying to teach real newbies a few things. But it gets old fast with you recycled voodooists creating new names to continue the same old voodoo arguments. Tired to the point that each time we go through this cycle it drives away a couple legitimate successful players and it is any real newbies that might come later that pay that price.
 
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moraine

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KewlJ said:
Problem is you are NOT a newbie. You are a "recycled" voodoo theorist, challenging the mathematics that IS card counting, and the players that have recorded success using these sound mathematical principals.

Experienced players that have enjoyed success, don't mind helping and trying to teach real newbies a few things. But it gets old fast with you recycled voodooists creating new names to continue the same old voodoo arguments. Tired to the point that each time we go through this cycle it drives away a couple legitimate successful players and it is any real newbies that might come later that pay that price.
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Question from a "recycled voodoo theorist" to "players that have recorded success":

HOW TO ACHIEVE 100% IC ??? Please give all possible methods you know for the benefit of newbies -- real, faked or recycled.
 
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johndoe

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I think I see what's happening. Out of curiosity I searched for "moraine blackjack" and found a recent book on Amazon about some system called "AceMT". From the description:

Blackjack is an easy game. Winning is fun, card counting or not. But only card counting can guarantee winning in the long run. If you are a beginner blackjack player, this book will set you on the right path to becoming a winning pro with minimal needed efforts from day one. If you are a card counting pro already, this book will show you a new system – AceMT – that counts A, K, Q, J and 10 only.
If you are used to the traditional Hi-Lo card counting system, this book will show you how to migrate to AceMT in no time while giving yourself 167% more time to relax.
Read from cover to cover, or just the covers. Either way, you may see a simplified method that will save you tons of chores every time you sit down to play blackjack or Spanish 21 in casino. Your "card counting job" will be much easier.
As always, play smarter, not harder. This book will show you how -- thru practical pointers and detailed analyses; thru charts and tables; and thru ideas and words that you may never find in any other card counting book. In just 21 lines – the Ballad of 21 -- the author captured the essence and joy of card counting. Enjoy, have fun, card counting or not.
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It's obviously the same person here. And it looks like they are reviewing their own book on various sites. LOL.

Pure voodoo. We get all kinds of people like this with delusions of grandeur on this forum with their revolutionary systems, and it's always a huge waste of time arguing with them. It's three/jstat/etc. all over again.
 
KewlJ

KewlJ

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Yikes! Good job johndoe.

Note to moraine (likely T3): If your "super-duper" count really worked and had some sort of new value, you would be out making all the money you need, playing blackjack and Sp21, rather than hawking a self published book on Amazon. :D
 
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moraine

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johndoe said:
I think I see what's happening. Out of curiosity I searched for "moraine blackjack" and found a recent book on Amazon about some system called "AceMT". From the description:



It's obviously the same person here. And it looks like they are reviewing their own book on various sites. LOL.

Pure voodoo. We get all kinds of people like this with delusions of grandeur on this forum with their revolutionary systems, and it's always a huge waste of time arguing with them. It's three/jstat/etc. all over again.
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If you know the answer to Post #122, please provide your answer. If you don't, please google further in order that your brain won't be "boxed-in" and suffer from malnutrition.
 
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moraine

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KewlJ said:
Yikes! Good job johndoe.

Note to moraine (likely T3): If your "super-duper" count really worked and had some sort of new value, you would be out making all the money you need, playing blackjack and Sp21, rather than hawking a self published book on Amazon. :D
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Post #125 is also for you. Protect Your Brain from being brain-washed by an unheard-of "super-duper" count. But Don't Box in; Or Your Brain Will Suffer from Malnutrition.
 
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johndoe

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moraine said:
Question from a "recycled voodoo theorist" to "players that have recorded success":

HOW TO ACHIEVE 100% IC ??? Please give all possible methods you know for the benefit of newbies -- real, faked or recycled.
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Hole carding.
 
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moraine

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johndoe

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moraine said:
Hahhh, you needed a partner just to do that side-count? Was that the same Ten Count that Edward Thorp used some 60 years ago? If that is all you can think of in 2021, wake up from your 12-year slumber.
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Idiot. I did the main count, they did the side count.
 
KewlJ

KewlJ

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moraine said:
Hole carding? Do you have a "PENETRATING eye-sight"?
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Oh boy. Enough of this clown for me. When someone shows up with this recycled voodoo nonsense, being deceitful from the get go by using a new name or handle with their old, recycled agenda, I see no need to go along any further.
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I am not a rich man. But I have made a comfortable living from blackjack play, via card counting techniques based on the very mathematics that you are "voodooing". I have a nice home (high rise condo with beautiful view), a healthy bankroll enabling me to continue to make money. Haven't put much away for retirement yet, but I am still in my 30's (for a bit longer), so working on it. But am I supposed to give up everything I have, which has 100% come from blackjack play and the traditional math, because some nut is telling us that math doesn't work? :eek:

Let's see who to believe, the guy telling us the "traditional" math doesn't work and we need to adopt his super-duper methods (and buy his book) or my bank account, life and home that all came from that "traditional" math? :cool:
 
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moraine

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johndoe said:
Idiot. I did the main count, they did the side count.
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Okay, Smarty. 2 counters. You, the smarter (or dumber) one, pick the easier main count. "They" did the harder work of Ten Count. If you still need so 2 heads at the table, THERE IS A PROBLEM.
 
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moraine

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KewlJ said:
Oh boy. Enough of this clown for me. When someone shows up with this recycled voodoo nonsense, being deceitful from the get go by using a new name or handle with their old, recycled agenda, I see no need to go along any further.
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I am not a rich man. But I have made a comfortable living from blackjack play, via card counting techniques based on the very mathematics that you are "voodooing". I have a nice home (high rise condo with beautiful view), a healthy bankroll enabling me to continue to make money. Haven't put much away for retirement yet, but I am still in my 30's (for a bit longer), so working on it. But am I supposed to give up everything I have, which has 100% come from blackjack play and the traditional math, because some nut is telling us that math doesn't work? :eek:

Let's see who to believe, the guy telling us the "traditional" math doesn't work and we need to adopt his super-duper methods (and buy his book) or my bank account, life and home that all came from that "traditional" math? :cool:
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Keep up your good work !!! IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO POST #122, Ranting IS A VERY SMART WAY TO COVER UP IGNORANCE.
 
KewlJ

KewlJ

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moraine said:
Keep up your good work !!! IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO POST #122, Ranting IS A VERY SMART WAY TO COVER UP IGNORANCE.
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How about this wise guy.....not only do I not care about perfect insurance betting correlation, but I go out of my way to avoid it. ;) How's that for thinking outside the box? :D

I play card counter's basic strategy (CBS) and part of that is my own insurance strategy, which like I said, intentionally moves away from perfect insurance play in the name of longevity, which has served me well. Blackjack advantage play isn't about perfect play, it is about being able to continue to play.

Your super-duper counts and perfect insurance correlations mean nothing if you are unwelcome to play for long and that is exactly what happens to all the guys like you that try to squeeze every last cent of advantage out. Perfect play, but nowhere that will allow you to play. That equals no profits, no real money won...just some pretty numbers on a piece of paper.

I am playing in the real world and using techniques that allow me to play and succeed and achieve some longevity making money. You are doing some sort of mental masturbation, playing on a computer and searching for something, "perfect play" that doesn't exist.
 
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moraine

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KewlJ said:
How about this wise guy.....not only do I not care about perfect insurance betting correlation, but I go out of my way to avoid it. ;) How's that for thinking outside the box? :D

I play card counter's basic strategy (CBS) and part of that is my own insurance strategy, which like I said, intentionally moves away from perfect insurance play in the name of longevity, which has served me well. Blackjack advantage play isn't about perfect play, it is about being able to continue to play.

Your super-duper counts and perfect insurance correlations mean nothing if you are unwelcome to play for long and that is exactly what happens to all the guys like you that try to squeeze every last cent of advantage out. Perfect play, but nowhere that will allow you to play. That equals no profits, no real money won...just some pretty numbers on a piece of paper.

I am playing in the real world and using techniques that allow me to play and succeed and achieve some longevity making money. You are doing some sort of mental masturbation, playing on a computer and searching for something, "perfect play" that doesn't exist.
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First. IGNORANCE IS A BLISS. HALF- BAKE IS DANGEROUS. Either use Basic Strategy only or know at least 80 indices for career protection. Illustrious 18 is 18 Illustrious indecent exposures if you use only those 18 indices. Second, I only asked you and others all methods of getting perfect IC. Whether you liked it or not, WHO CARES? YOU ARE STILL AVOIDING THE QUESTION. If you don't know a thing, just say so OR YOU MAY KEEP ON RANTING. HAVE A GOOD DAY.
 
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johndoe

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*yawn*. There's no point in continuing the discussion, it's like a religion with you folks, or a mental illness. No amount of evidence or logic will ever sway you, and you'll cling to the nonsensical claims to the bitter end. It's happened here again and again, you're just the most recent of many. Go somewhere else.
 
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