Adding an advantage

[ScottH]

In more ways than one. IQ tests were developed to identify the mentally retarded, not the intelligent. Being they are multiple choice tests, everyone does some degree of guessing, and some guesses are going to be luckier than others. The more questions you know the answers to, the more significant those guesses become, thus the difference between scores of, say, 170 and 190 could amount to just a few lucky guesses. Math people get a snicker out of those who boast of extremely high IQ scores, because it demonstrates they don't fully understand the math behind the scoring.

We BJ players are all painfully familiar with this effect, when the difference between a good night and a bad night can come down to whether the dealer draws a 5 or a 6 on one hand.

How many questions does a standard IQ test have? If they were really long tests they would be more accurate. Then getting "lucky" would be less of a problem for IQ scores.

 

[shadroch]

There are different ones you can take on-line. However,don't put a lot of faith in the scores. I've taken several and always score in the 133-137 range,a good bit higher than any real test I've taken.The on-line ones take less than 30 minutes to complete.

 

[halcyon1234]

There are different ones you can take on-line. However,don't put a lot of faith in the scores. I've taken several and always score in the 133-137 range,a good bit higher than any real test I've taken.The on-line ones take less than 30 minutes to complete.

Caveat: Beware of the online tests. Most of them are scams. They'll usually make you go through a big, long test, then "sell" you the results. OR you'll always get a high score, then be sold some "genius" product. (That King of the Hill episode wasn't too far from the truth =) )

 

[ScottH]

There are different ones you can take on-line. However,don't put a lot of faith in the scores. I've taken several and always score in the 133-137 range,a good bit higher than any real test I've taken.The on-line ones take less than 30 minutes to complete.

I took an online IQ test and scored 142. I know it can't be reliable because of it was only 18 questions. I've never taken a "real" IQ test though. Maybe I should. How much does it cost?

 

[captheathmalc]

It also says you'll be in Vegas thru Feb 9th? What happened?
Its bad enough when people misquote others,misquoting themselves is just plain stupid.

No, it said I'd be in Vegas on the 8th and 9th...and unless you use a different Calendar than me..that is thursday and Friday.

I will assume you are unfamilar with the area, or you wouldn't have asked this question.

 

[zengrifter]

...I agree that I'd be a novice in "counting".... a novice at BJ...not at all.

Just to provide you the benefit of doubt, what is the main technique/system/strategy that you utilize at BJ as a self-described 'advantage player'? zg

 

[CaseyCat]

I took an online IQ test and scored 142. I know it can't be reliable because of it was only 18 questions. I've never taken a "real" IQ test though. Maybe I should. How much does it cost?

If you're serious, don't do an on-line test. Find a Psychologist who does testing. Your health insurance might cover it ... if not, probably $150-$500 depending on how extensive.

 

[shadroch]

No, it said I'd be in Vegas on the 8th and 9th...and unless you use a different Calendar than me..that is thursday and Friday.

I will assume you are unfamilar with the area, or you wouldn't have asked this question.

Thats twice you've misquoted yourself. There is a word for people that do things like that.I'd go more into detail,but would rather ask you a simple question-Why are you still bothering to post here? No one takes anything you say seriously.We read your rants for their entertainment value,and that is fading rapidly.
Sonny picked up the guantlet and slapped you in the face with it. So when is this challenge going to occur?

 

[Sonny]

I took an online IQ test and scored 142. I know it can't be reliable because of it was only 18 questions. I've never taken a "real" IQ test though. Maybe I should. How much does it cost?

Don't bother! Here's the only one you need to take:

The Blackjack IQ test

WARNING: Apparently the test doens't actually work anymore (it doesn't calculate your score). Just see how many questions you can answer. Sorry.

We should make up a new one!

-Sonny-

 

[Sonny]

Sonny picked up the guantlet and slapped you in the face with it. So when is this challenge going to occur?

It already happened. I ran the sim yesterday. Guess what. Hi Opt II at unhappy tables beats KO at happy tables by a huge margin. The main reason: There a far more unhappy tables than happy tables. The KO player just couldn’t get enough hands per hour! :laugh:

-Sonny-

 

[shadroch]

It already happened. I ran the sim yesterday. Guess what. Hi Opt II at unhappy tables beats KO at happy tables by a huge margin. The main reason: There a far more unhappy tables than happy tables. The KO player just couldn’t get enough hands per hour! :laugh:

-Sonny-

Did you account for non-existant dealer tells? If not,I'm afraid your sim was as much a waste of time as most of this thread was.

 

[captheathmalc]

Hey Captain can you please just stop with the nonsense. I reached out to you to try to make you understand its not worth sweating the small stuff, and that most everybody's advice and or comments were either based on good intentions or confusion in what sometimes seems like contradictions in your posts. Apparently you don't get it. Attacking people like Sonny with your bragging of how much money you have is not only childish its just plain stupid. ................. But at this point you sound like a child on the verge of a tantrum because nobody will play with you. .......... But I will give you this, in my travels I will keep my eye out for a high roller wearing an Ohio State hat. If I see you, I promise you I will take a look at what it is your doing that claims to make you so much money. On the same token I doubt I will introduce myself to you, but you'll know I was there.

One man's nonsense is another man's awakening. The said Madison,the Wibur brothers and Edison were wrong also.

Your assertion that everyone has posted (replied) with good intentions is the only non-sense I have seen. You say I attacked Sonny? You say that I am sweating the "small stuff"? You are comparing me to a child having a tantrum....and who's doing the attacking again? And I suppose that is a good intention? Yeah...okay.

But I will give you this, in my travels I will keep my eye out for a high roller wearing an Ohio State hat. If I see you, I promise you I will take a look at what it is your doing that claims to make you so much money. On the same token I doubt I will introduce myself to you, but you'll know I was there.

That is fine.

And BTW...I have never "bragged" about how much money I have made at Black-Jack....I have simpily stated a fact. And since winning money is the only true measure of how we play....would that not be pertinent in this discussion?

I certainly may have misjudged or misread some of your earlier posts. If that is the case then I apologize. That is just the impression that I got from your statements.



With all due respect, I think you have a somewhat misguided concept of what constitutes experience. You can play accurate basic strategy which makes you an absolute beginner. It doesn’t matter how many casinos you’ve played in, how long you’ve been using “pattern recognition” systems or how many “happy” tables you’ve found. None of that will make you a better player. All of that “experience” was just wasted time. In the world of skillful BJ playing you are starting from scratch.



Those first few chapters are about more than basic strategy. Revere was always very upfront about the dedication and commitment required to become a great player. Those first few chapters are all about creating a winning attitude in the reader. Without the proper discipline, Revere knew that people would just skim through his book without learning what he was trying to teach. He builds a solid foundation of how BS works and why it works. Although much of that book is outdated, the groundwork it sets is very important.



I’d be happy to accept your challenge. We can simulate your “subconscious counting” at happy tables against my Hi-Opt II at unhappy tables. It’ll take CVData less than 10 minutes to show us the EVs after 500,000,000 rounds. I’ll even be a sport by giving you KO and not including my gains from shuffle tracking. What exactly do you expect to prove?

-Sonny-

Once again..... a statement I have made is taken out of context....let me say once again: "I prefer being at a table where the players are generally in a good mood. This is because it seems to me that I win more often at this type of table. I have stated this many times...but for some reason people seem to want to take that one statement and use it as if I were saying it was my advantage.

As for Revere's book...you are wrong. I read it again last night...the whole thing....just to be sure I wasn't mising something.

In Chapter one (The game of blackjack)...He begins: "You can legally bet on dominos in the state of Texas." He goes on to talk about Dr.Thorp, and how the casinos changed how many decks were dealt because of him (Thorp)...mostly this is an opinionated chapter that any person with a little experience would already know. Chapter 2-he begins: "Your first step to winning blackjack is to learn the rules..." This chapter actually has information that is usable, but again...there was nothing that I didnt already know. Chapter four discusses Basic Strategy, and his systems (10 count/plus-minus/revere point count)..... this is info that I didn't know completely (his systems) but on the advice of (you or ZG, I believe) , I decided not to concern myself with it.

My point here is that you infer that by me skipping through some of the chapters (thing I already knew) that I was missing out....well I wasn't (I know this for sure, since I re-read it...all of it).... but what really kicks me in the rear-end is this:

Where was this comment when I was told to skip the book completely? If those chapters that I had skipped were so darn important, then why are you not telling everyone to read it first?......oh yeah, that's right...it's out-dated......but then...why did you make your comment? OH...I know...good intentions...yeah, okay.

Ladies and Gentlemen!!!! Tonight's extravaganza features two top heavyweights from the world of blackjack! In this corner, wieghing in at an antronomical 210 I.Q. is "Happy Table" Cap. and opposing him, in the far corner, is our very own Sonny from the City of the Angels weighing in with a massive bankroll and nothing but mathematical logic. Location of this bout is yet to be determined, but rumored to take place somewhere in the High Sierra. This is scheduled to be a 20hr. head-to-head winner-take-all event with the opening line lisiting Sonny as an 8:5 favorite. All wagering will be handled through Mikeaber Bookie Joint. Thank you for your attention AND LET THE RUMBLE BEGIN!

A 210 IQ? that would be something!

Lol, i do wonder how you are going to simulate 'subconscious' counting Sonny. RJT.

Once again...something I said in one of my posts is taken out of context: Subconscious counting...... I never said I did it... I said "I wonder" if I do it, or if it's possible.

IQ isnt' really a scale, but more of a coefficient. An IQ score is supposed to measure your intelligence in relation to where someone of the same age as you should be, given the same educational and societal backgrounds. An average person should score 100. Someone "twice as smart" would scroe 200. The scores are only rough guesses and not accurate measurements, though. They are EXTREMELY culturally biased. For example, take a genius 12 year old who grew up on a farm in northern Ontario. Then enroll him in a school in downtown Toronto. The IQ tests there will have lots of questions about train schedules, local geography (streets, etc), cultural memes, histroy of the mayor, etc. Stuff that the child propably wouldn't know. It gets compounded for immigrants. Someone who grew up in rural India will know even LESS about downtown Toronto, or Ontario-- or Canada at all.

Actually the Intelligence quotient scale was created for children , to determine what their "ability" to learn was. That is why they have always said that an IQ test is not accurate after a certain age.

Your IQ has nothing to do with your "current" intelligence...it is a measure of your ability to gain, and absorb intellectual data.

well what do you want a cookie?? i don't think anyone here really cares about how much you have made playing BJ. If you are serious about showing how good you are why don't you front the money??? If you have made SO MUCH in the past 6 months and extra $1500 shouldn't be a problem for you.

oh by the way my money would be on sonny or bojack

I suppose this is another "Good-intention" post, right? Okay...well here's my reply:

#1 I don't care if anyone cares what I have or haven't made playing BJ

#2 You are right, $1500 isn't a problem...but then again, it surely isn't a problem for all these people who claim to be so much better than me.

#3 You are a complete waste. (Now...that was an attack! )

 

[captheathmalc]

As for you believing me, or believing that BJ is my only source of income..... I don't really care what you think or believe. A fact is a fact. And if so many of you were so interested in verifying what I say is wrong (as opposed to assumptions, slanders, and out-right lies), then why have none of you so-called "AP's" approached me at any of the Casinos I named that I would be at....I was there! Want more info??? Still want to prove me wrong...anyone??? I'll be at the Belterra on Wednesday night... I'll where the same blue sweatshirt,blue-jeans, and the Ohio State cap.

On February 8th, I'll be at Circus Circus in LV; the 9th I'll be at the Mirage.

February 26-28 I'll be in AC, I'll move between the Taj-Mahal, and Tropicanna.

Again...I always wear the Ohio State cap, and 99% of the time Blue-jeans.

Thats twice you've misquoted yourself. There is a word for people that do things like that.I'd go more into detail,but would rather ask you a simple question-Why are you still bothering to post here? No one takes anything you say seriously.We read your rants for their entertainment value,and that is fading rapidly.
Sonny picked up the guantlet and slapped you in the face with it. So when is this challenge going to occur?

Another non-attack I suppose? This must have been another "good-intention post"?!?!?!?

However...I have quoted the thread I made the original post in...So Mr. Shadroch, why don't you quit trying to get people to believe that you actually know what you're talking about, when in-fact (or at-least I believe it to be a fact) That you are a bored preteen who likes to make argumentative posts.

And BTW: Sonny didn't pick-up any Guantlet...but I will assist him in doing so if he really wants to. Sonny can PM me and I will come to "his" casino of choice.....we will both play at an agreed-upon table, and for an agreed upon time.

Now that would be "picking-up" the guantlet.


As for nobody really caring what I say..... again, your brain is out of whack! If nobody cared what I said...more to the point...if "you" didn't care what I said...then why in the world do you continue to reply? I know...the so-called "entertainment" value..... You are a piece of work.

Go back to the play-ground, where you belong!

 

[RJT]

Once again...something I said in one of my posts is taken out of context: Subconscious counting...... I never said I did it... I said "I wonder" if I do it, or if it's possible.

Ok, i'm out *claps hands over the table*
You know Cap, i wasn't actually taking a swing at you, i was mearly suggesting to Sonny that i feel that it would be very difficult to simulate the kind of play you describe, with all the different non-linear factors. So in actuality, if anything i was sticking up for you in a round about fashion.
But you know what, you've yet to discuss anything that could even remoatly be proved as a winning system and i'm no having the blind attack me on the internet for no good reason.

RJT.

 

[captheathmalc]

Just to provide you the benefit of doubt, what is the main technique/system/strategy that you utilize at BJ as a self-described 'advantage player'? zg

Just to re-set the record:

• I have never described myself as anything but a black-jack player....never have I used AP to describe myself, or anyone else.
  
• This thread was created to talk about the pros of an idea I had (see the beginning of the thread), yet people are more enamored with the idea of attacking me and/or my style of play....and then have the audacity to tell me that the posts were made with "Good-intentions".
  
• I outlined my style of play.....maybe it is just an unusual amount of good luck....or maybe there "is" something to subconscious counting...I don't know...but if it works for me, then I will continue to use it.
  

ZG.... I have no doubt that your question is well-intentioned, yet I don't think I want to re-hash the way I play, so that forum members such as Shadroch can spend time trying to tear me down....for his "entertainment-value".

I have never asked anyone to play like I do...nor even suggested they "think" about it. I only offered observations; and was attacked for doing so.

 

[captheathmalc]

You know Cap, i wasn't actually taking a swing at you.....
RJT.

No.....and I didn't think that you were.....however, if you have read the other posts (I'm sure you have), then you know that people are using this statement I made in another thread, and assuming that I am claiming to use subconscious-counting techniques......when in-fact, all I have ever said was that I wondered about it.

 

[supercoolmancool]

Oh come on. Explain it one more time. For old times sake. I won't make fun of you.

 

[captheathmalc]

Oh come on. Explain it one more time. For old times sake. I won't make fun of you.

okay... :cool2:


I goto the table...put everything I have on the table (all $7.00) and I bet my life-savings on whatever comes-up.

 

[person1125]

captheathmalc

Once again..... a statement I have made is taken out of context....let me say once again: "I prefer being at a table where the players are generally in a good mood. This is because it seems to me that I win more often at this type of table.

When I am looking for a table, I am looking for VERY specific things: #1 (this is a must) - Make sure the people at the table are having a good time, laughing, talking....not down-in-the-dumps. In my experience...you do better at good tables, and if people are happy, having a good time, then chances are they are winning, or at least not losing too much.

See you did say you look for tables with happy people. The people on this message board just have said you like happy people and you say NO good mood - it's the same thing!!

• This thread was created to talk about the pros of an idea I had (see the beginning of the thread), yet people are more enamored with the idea of attacking me and/or my style of play....and then have the audacity to tell me that the posts were made with "Good-intentions".
  
• I outlined my style of play.....maybe it is just an unusual amount of good luck....or maybe there "is" something to subconscious counting...I don't know...but if it works for me, then I will continue to use it.
  

You wanted to have a perfect counting system - which you told it wouldn't add much of an advantange. I don't think this was being attacked.

as far as you attacking me....that's fine.....I think I just saw someone in an Ohio State hat wearing blue jeans get the boot from American Idol...too bad i thought you were pretty good...


but serious:
Captain - Here is the million dollar question everyone wants answered: WHAT IS YOUR STYLE OF PLAY??? I have read all your posts and you have only said 2 things: 1 - look for a table with a people in a good mood (don't want to misquote) and 2 - look for dealer tells. Please tell me what I am missing.

 

[blackchipjim]

My two cents!

Evening Capt, I know what you are talking about I think, and what happens at certain tables. There has been numerous threads from karma and other not so math based ways of gaining advantage at a table. I would say if it works for you that's great but for the gentlemen at this forum it's still voodoo. I have had certain so called tables that you talk about and all the way up to calling the next card out. Luck? more than likely,skill not,physic could be, but hey I like to think alot anyways. I hope you acheive what insight you are looking for and when you find the secrect to beat the tar out of casinos without really trying please tell me because I need all the help I can get. blackchipjim