AP predators & the wild casino kingdom

aslan

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fredperson said:
I first became interested in the Fibonacci progression in the late 50s when working on mag tape sorting alogithms for large scale early computers.

There are abundant examples of this progression in nature, architecture, music, and of course, a sucessful blackjack system. However, Sonny has banned me from discussing the later in this forum. :(
What? As far as I know, no such discussion is banned from the Voodoo Betting Strategies forum. Are you sure? Could you point me to a thread where this banning took place? Maybe he just pointed to prior discussions of your theory so why rehash what has gone before? If you have a unique application of Fibonacci that has not been discussed ad nauseam before, I am sure Sonny would actually encourage your posting. In my experience he is more than fair.
 

sagefr0g

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to learn something new is.....kewl

aslan said:
Naw, not voodoo, you're right about that. I think I know what you're trying to tell me, but isn't it all based on theory and math, albeit, new theory and new math? Anyway, enjoy it while it lasts, because like you say, things tend to change, and like they used to tell us in my working days, usually just before they hammered us:whip:, the only thing you can depend on is change. Change is the constant. :rolleyes: Or at least a good excuse to cut you off at the knees. :whip: Now where did that come from? :laugh:
new knowledge stuff can be so refreshing. some new angle, some other approach, a new vantage point, whatever. various modes of thinking regarding advantage play, was one of the cool things about the bash, you get to see the perspectives as other AP's see it sorta thing.
so change, while it can be daunting, well it's a fact of life, maybe it can open up the casino for some unforeseen chink in their armor. :rolleyes:
 

sagefr0g

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fredperson said:
I first became interested in the Fibonacci progression in the late 50s when working on mag tape sorting alogithms for large scale early computers.

There are abundant examples of this progression in nature, architecture, music, and of course, a sucessful blackjack system. However, Sonny has banned me from discussing the later in this forum. :(
ok, so did the Fibonacci stuff give you an advantage working with sorting algorithms? i'd be curious as to how if so.

so how about Fibonacci stuff as it is found in nature, any interesting stuff far as advantage in that?
just asking as i know nothing of it, seems you do.

i just think stuff having to do with advantage in nature is neat to ponder over as advantage is such a key thing for getting over in casinos.
kind of cool, that maybe how the universe and the stuff in it ended up how it is that in a way advantage played a part perhaps just by random situations and things that happened.
add in some conscious thought regarding advantage seems to be a recipe for being able to make things happen. lol
 

aslan

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sagefr0g said:
new knowledge stuff can be so refreshing. some new angle, some other approach, a new vantage point, whatever. various modes of thinking regarding advantage play, was one of the cool things about the bash, you get to see the perspectives as other AP's see it sorta thing.
so change, while it can be daunting, well it's a fact of life, maybe it can open up the casino for some unforeseen chink in their armor. :rolleyes:
Very true. I was more tempted to join you fellows when you were smaller, than I am now, in spite of the fact that I may be missing out on some good perspectives. Too bad I never got a chance, but in view of recent developments, I doubt that will ever come to pass. I am not a joiner by nature, but I do like get-togethers, especially one on one or very small groups. I always considered you guys the "Midwest get-together," just a bit too far for me to participate in, as I do have a life involving other things than BJ. I would rather see an APs on the east coast get together, APs in Vegas, APs in California, APs in Biloxi and surrounds, etc. than one big Bash where all come together. For me it is just too easy for it to get out of hand when it gets large. But that's just me. Others may differ. :)
 

sagefr0g

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competition in the wild casinodom... what to do

aslan said:
well i slept on my silly post, no dreams, woke up saw your post.
whatever reason i remembered a story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP6Z_OpZqls&NR=1
competition in the casinos get you down?
the scarcity of advantage plays get you down?
somehow, some way in the larger wild kingdom all the little critters and mankind as well, survive another day. somehow some way they find a play.
make money in a casino? dream on i guess.:rolleyes:
"gather together what is left over, let us not waist a bit"
 

fredperson

Active Member
Fibonacci

sagefr0g said:
ok, so did the Fibonacci stuff give you an advantage working with sorting algorithms? i'd be curious as to how if so.

so how about Fibonacci stuff as it is found in nature, any interesting stuff far as advantage in that?
just asking as i know nothing of it, seems you do. lol
1- Fibonacci is not STUFF. It is a mathematical progression squence.

2- The sequence was employed as a non-balanced merge for tape sorting to optimize computer time.

3- Your remark about an advantage in nature makes no sense. My impression is that you are making fun of my post.
 
Chill

fredperson said:
1- Fibonacci is not STUFF. It is a mathematical progression squence.

2- The sequence was employed as a non-balanced merge for tape sorting to optimize computer time.

3- Your remark about an advantage in nature makes no sense. My impression is that you are making fun of my post.


Fred, relax. Chill....have a cold one, Sage has not a mean bone in his body so get over it.

CP
 

sagefr0g

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no offence meant, apologies for glibness

fredperson said:
1- Fibonacci is not STUFF. It is a mathematical progression squence.

2- The sequence was employed as a non-balanced merge for tape sorting to optimize computer time.

3- Your remark about an advantage in nature makes no sense. My impression is that you are making fun of my post.
absolutely not meant to make fun of your post, i am almost utterly ignorant of Fibonacci. didn't mean nothing by calling it stuff, stuff was just meant in a general sense as i'm sorta lazy far as typing or whatever.
i'll admit i have been a bit glib with regard to the idea that a mathematical progression sequence would be able to overcome a negative expected value game long term. errhh, i'm pretty sure it has been proven mathematically that a progression can not overcome a negative expectation game if it is used without other aspects that do yield an advantage.
i believe you explained that Fibonacci presents so that "there are abundant examples of this progression in nature, architecture, music, and of course, a sucessful blackjack system."
so in that respect i find it hard to understand why it would be senseless that Fibonacci holds some advantage with respect to nature. why would nature have a bountiful abundance of Fibonacci in it if it were not some sort of advantage? i mean isn't kind of how it works in nature that advantageous stuff (please pardon the expression) has a way of being incorporated into nature? isn't that a good bit how evolution works? survival of the fittest sort of thing, well what makes something more fit, if not an advantage with respect to something of less advantage or no advantage what so ever? well anyway, that's what i was wondering about Fibonacci, is all, ie. does it lend some sort of advantage in nature, that in a sense explains it's preponderance of existence in nature?
but ok, i'm not sure i understood #2, that the sequence was employed as a non-balanced merge for tape sorting to optimize computer time.
but i think i can see that if it helped optimize computer time then that is a form of advantage.

i don't think Sonny or anyone else would mind if you tried to explain how a Fibonacci sequence progression could yield an advantage in a negative expectation blackjack game. i for one would like to read your thoughts on the matter.

again, i apologize if i've offended you.
 

sagefr0g

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more on dreams or what ever poetry maybe?

aslan said:
after some play in the wild casinodom this evening i had some thoughts on these lines from Kiplings Law of the Jungle poem:
Ye may kill for yourselves, and your mates,
and your cubs as they need, and ye can;
But kill not for pleasure of killing,


replacing the word kill with the phrase 'make plays' we have"
Ye may make plays for yourselves, and your mates,
and your cubs as they need, and ye can;
But make plays not for pleasure of making plays,


point being in either case, maybe has to do with the 'economy of nature' sort of thing, maybe ideas with the idea of respecting the world one finds once's self in, even one's competitors sort of thing, maybe as well to have to do with the idea of expected value and fluctuation sorta stuff and the frequency with which advantage presents.
even more voodoo'ish, the idea that perhaps there is some level of value a days venture might offer in a sense of the economy of nature to wit the attempt to achieve more value would be essentially futile.:rolleyes:
 

sagefr0g

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creeping panther said:
Fred, relax. Chill....have a cold one, Sage has not a mean bone in his body so get over it.

CP
heh, heh, thanks much Stealthy Won.:)
well, actually i wish that was 100% accurate, but well, errhhh the ole fr0g has been known to get a bit a$$y at times, lol.
whatever, if i do, smack me down, dammitt. :angel::whip::laugh::laugh:
 

sagefr0g

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economy of nature & 'scarcity' of plays & money

i'd love if the Chem Meister would comment as i can barely recall, just i remember in academic stuff of physics and chemistry from time to time reference being made to the concept regarding the economy of nature. essentially where natural process's take place with an economy of energy and physical resources sorta thing. in a sense the idea being that when stuff happens that the process is gonna be efficient and that energy and matter wont be processed in a wasteful way, sorta thing.

what interests me, in regard to the above is the 'nature' of things regarding advantage plays in the casinodom. questions such as the availability or frequency of advantage plays, the 'success' rate of such plays and the fact of competition amongst advantage players.

whatever, i guess it all just boils down to the fact that things are what they are, plain and simple. probability and statistics will play out as it should. skill and properly laid out game plans do what they tend to do, variance happens as well.

take (of all things, lol) some approach of advantageous play for blackjack for instance (blackjack of all things, lol). finally on topic, lol.:cool2::whip:
i mean, it can be a known thing, far as say counting cards and advantage.
we know stuff such as frequency of advantage, expected value and standard deviation.
interesting side note:
where QFIT shows how back counters can affect counting players and civilians at blackjack tables:
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/othereffects1.htm
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/othereffects2.htm
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/othereffects3.htm
so but anyway, such effects as the side note, seems relatively innocuous.
what really interests me is the voodoo question of competitors getting their bellies full on any given day, sorta thing.
i mean, to me, i see a similarity in the quest to get money at the tables (by whatever means) as a contest, in many ways a competition for resources not unlike creatures out in the wild kingdom going about their quest for survival, sorta thing. whatever, somehow in the wild kingdom critters do survive and prosper, even competing critters, lol.
point being, just me maybe, i see the use of goals by AP's as a somewhat maligned tactic. i mean, yes goals, apparently can have a damping effect upon the rate of realization of results related to expected value.
thing is to me, the question of goals has an element of simple practicality involved. also there is the factor of competition, a factor that is much more important in other AP endeavors.
but back to the blackjack advantage play situation and the question of practicality, there is also the fact of the relative scarcity of advantage plays. for example, consider say some card counting player, has some bankroll, desires some level of ror and has some game available to exploit.
is it just me, or really doesn't this player likely gonna make some amount of money in some amount of hours sorta thing? sure it can be way more or way less, but far as dude can expect, it's ev and some number of hours spent grinding. well anyway, this scenario brings about to me a question of practicality. say dude has some number of hours to play, then he has some ev, well could that ev not be deemed a reasonable goal? so the question becomes, what if dude realizes that ev or goal in a much less time span than the expected number of hours of grinding play?
just me maybe, but i think i see situations as this as an opportunity for an AP to use rational thought, to use time to his advantage, and if said AP has other advantage venues to take pause from the tables and make other uses of time. point being, knowledge can be used as a tool, sorta thing to advantage, as opposed to slavishly following some pre-scripted game plan, perhaps.:rolleyes:
voodoo?:confused:
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
sagefr0g said:
point being, knowledge can be used as a tool, sorta thing to advantage, as opposed to slavishly following some pre-scripted game plan, perhaps.:rolleyes:
voodoo?:confused:
When I play I have a style of play in mind, but sometimes that all goes out the window in short order.

For example, if I jump right into a run of bad luck in a plus count with max bet out, I have to decide quickly whether I want to continue this session or quit for another store. One reason that it is risky to stay is that during my losing streak I have already revealed obvious counting behavior even though my result was a disaster. If I stay, the pit may be on my case like white on rice, so I'll have to mask my play considerably, at least for a while, which further damages my chances for a speedy recovery.

If I do stay, I'm playing on instinct, always watching the pit out of the corner of my eye, looking for tells--a phony pose of disinterest; a furtive glance my way; a telephone conversation that seems too covert; or the obvious stare my way--whatever--I am constantly gauging how much masking, if any, is necessary to guarantee a long stay. At some point I know I have to boldly spread to max and hope I've sold my innocence to whom it may concern.

This all happened just the other night. From the get-go I was getting clobbered in plus counts. I dropped my entire trip bankroll. Like any red-blooded American boy, I fled to the ATM for reinforcements. Then over the next several hours, I managed to recoup the larger part of my losses.

But it was very much like the jungle...the house was extremely suspicious, and even more so after I recouped a large amount of my bankroll...would I get a friendly tap on the shoulder? I didn't know...but before it was over, pit and dealer and myself were all friends, joking and sharing personal stories together.

As hard as I tried, I could not recoup everything, only most of it, as I kept hitting what seemed like a brick wall. So I finally called it quits, and the dealer, who by this time was my bosom friend, said to be sure and stop by and say hello to her if I was in the casino on the following day. And I did stop by with my wife, and I did also visit the pit person who awarded me a $100 dinner comp in one of their fine restaurants.

But for all the play-acting and friendly banter, it was actually a harrowing experience, one that I would not want to repeat ever again. My comeback with short money was very lucky. I would never count on it happening again.

This episode confirmed my opinion that I would never want to play blackjack for a living. It is a jungle, and even the strong may fall. An unlucky attack by negative variance might put any pro on his butt. Blackjack pros must have tremendous courage and unwavering faith in their craft to survive.

All the guys here who are taking college courses, I recommend a professional career in the business world 1,000 times to 1 over a career as a card counter. I imagine there are some small number of players for which card counting actually represents the best choice for them, and I admire them beyond saying. But for the majority of persons, I am firmly convinced that card counting as a career shows a decided lack of wisdom on their part and will result in a far less rewarding life than they might otherwise achieve in the regular world.

Part of being an AP is choosing the best advantage play, and that, IMO, is to leave blackjack in the category of a recreational pastime, at least, in the majority of cases.
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
aslan said:
When I play I have a style of play in mind, but sometimes that all goes out the window in short order.

For example, if I jump right into a run of bad luck in a plus count with max bet out, I have to decide quickly whether I want to continue this session or quit for another store. One reason that it is risky to stay is that during my losing streak I have already revealed obvious counting behavior even though my result was a disaster. If I stay, the pit may be on my case like white on rice, so I'll have to mask my play considerably, at least for a while, which further damages my chances for a speedy recovery.

If I do stay, I'm playing on instinct, always watching the pit out of the corner of my eye, looking for tells--a phony pose of disinterest; a furtive glance my way; a telephone conversation that seems too covert; or the obvious stare my way--whatever--I am constantly gauging how much masking, if any, is necessary to guarantee a long stay. At some point I know I have to boldly spread to max and hope I've sold my innocence to whom it may concern.

This all happened just the other night. From the get-go I was getting clobbered in plus counts. I dropped my entire trip bankroll. Like any red-blooded American boy, I fled to the ATM for reinforcements. Then over the next several hours, I managed to recoup the larger part of my losses.

But it was very much like the jungle...the house was extremely suspicious, and even more so after I recouped a large amount of my bankroll...would I get a friendly tap on the shoulder? I didn't know...but before it was over, pit and dealer and myself were all friends, joking and sharing personal stories together.

As hard as I tried, I could not recoup everything, only most of it, as I kept hitting what seemed like a brick wall. So I finally called it quits, and the dealer, who by this time was my bosom friend, said to be sure and stop by and say hello to her if I was in the casino on the following day. And I did stop by with my wife, and I did also visit the pit person who awarded me a $100 dinner comp in one of their fine restaurants.

But for all the play-acting and friendly banter, it was actually a harrowing experience, one that I would not want to repeat ever again. My comeback with short money was very lucky. I would never count on it happening again.

This episode confirmed my opinion that I would never want to play blackjack for a living. It is a jungle, and even the strong may fall. An unlucky attack by negative variance might put any pro on his butt. Blackjack pros must have tremendous courage and unwavering faith in their craft to survive.

All the guys here who are taking college courses, I recommend a professional career in the business world 1,000 times to 1 over a career as a card counter. I imagine there are some small number of players for which card counting actually represents the best choice for them, and I admire them beyond saying. But for the majority of persons, I am firmly convinced that card counting as a career shows a decided lack of wisdom on their part and will result in a far less rewarding life than they might otherwise achieve in the regular world.

Part of being an AP is choosing the best advantage play, and that, IMO, is to leave blackjack in the category of a recreational pastime, at least, in the majority of cases.
great story aslan, really a good one.
yeah, lol, it's what i'm trying to say and learn from saying, it is really like a jungle.
and if there is anything to the poem the law of the jungle and these lines:
Ye may make plays for yourselves, and your mates,
and your cubs as they need, and ye can;
But make plays not for pleasure of making plays,

then at the heart of it i'm breaking that stricture, since even though i'm serious about the money, it's also a recreational thing for me, a sorta of a sport if you will. whatever, my original goal was sort of i wanted to supplement my retirement income while having some fun, sorta thing. i guess that's playing out as planned.
but yeah advantage player as a profession, it would be a tough gig, a really tough gig.
but yeah, like you allude far as being young and choosing some path for a profession, choose yer games carefully fellows, there are a lot of options out there.
for a retired ole goat like me maybe these lines of the poem fit:
Cave-Right is the right of the Father --
to hunt by himself for his own:
He is freed of all calls to the Pack;
he is judged by the Council alone.


Because of his age and his cunning,
because of his gripe and his paw,
In all that the Law leaveth open,
the word of your Head Wolf is Law.
:rolleyes:

whatever, it's off to the wild casinodom for me for now, wish me luck, lol.........
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
Well, best of luck of course, Sage One--always and everywhere!

I hope you have the luck I had last night. Tired of the jungle, I went to downtown Vegas looking for a low limit adventure.

The blackjack games at Binion's have become laughable. They only pay 6:5 for a natural even on a shoe game. Except there was one single deck game that paid 3:2, but alas, you could only double down on 10/11, you could not double down after splitting, and I believe it was H17--probably poor pen as well, judging from the other games I observed.

So I wandered over to 4 Queens and found a JOB 9/6 machine in front of the cashier's cage and played until my eyes would not stay open and cashed out plus $20.

I then meandered around looking for a blackjack game, thinking it might stimulate the senses. I found a game, I think it was the Golden Nugget, $10, 8-deck, S17, DAS, DD2, LS, but marginal pen. I sat down and after some discussion about ES vs. LS, I began playing. Naturally, the first hand the dealer received a blackjack and beat the board. Second hand, I win, so I'm even for the start of the next shoe. You wouldn't believe what followed.

In KO the IRC is -28. This shoe the count never rose above -21 for the entire shoe. The real zinger is that I won $130 flat betting, and the dealer even had a blackjack one hand. I must have won every other hand to be 13 units ahead. It's the most phenomenal run I have ever had and it came on the dark side in a deep and persistent negative count. At the end of the shoe I cashed out. I figured the next shoe had to be the shoe from hell and I would rather bask in the pleasure of what had just happened. No big deal, but it was a pleasant evening with a $150 bonus to boot. May all your sessions be so lucky, and hopefully, at max bet!
 

Machinist

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Funny

You guys make me laugh.... Thanks!!!!!! Nice story Aslan!!! Great advice for the college crowd. But also remember..all is not as it seems in the "Real World".
My choice is life has been ass backwards compared to most and compared to what is jammed down our throats by the media of all types...
Live while you are young. Careers.."unless it is your passion in life" are a joke. How many people do you know that jump out of bed and say YAAAAAAAAAAA its off to work i go..I love my JOB!!!!! Seriously?????? How many????
So i say to a young person ...explore and experience... Do alot of different stuff,,, you might find something you really enjoy!!! Most of my experiences with work at different jobs only lasted 3 years at a time....then i jumped at the next offer that presented its self...
And one year after jumping at different jobs...this AP opportunity came along and i never looked back!!! But i tried so so so many different things before that.
I have no regrets in life...Its been a hell of a ride so far!!! The continuation of that ride looks exciting as well.
Save a career for your later years in my opinon .
Still laughing:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Machinst
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
Machinist said:
You guys make me laugh.... Thanks!!!!!! Nice story Aslan!!! Great advice for the college crowd. But also remember..all is not as it seems in the "Real World".
My choice is life has been ass backwards compared to most and compared to what is jammed down our throats by the media of all types...
Live while you are young. Careers.."unless it is your passion in life" are a joke. How many people do you know that jump out of bed and say YAAAAAAAAAAA its off to work i go..I love my JOB!!!!! Seriously?????? How many????
So i say to a young person ...explore and experience... Do alot of different stuff,,, you might find something you really enjoy!!! Most of my experiences with work at different jobs only lasted 3 years at a time....then i jumped at the next offer that presented its self...
And one year after jumping at different jobs...this AP opportunity came along and i never looked back!!! But i tried so so so many different things before that.
I have no regrets in life...Its been a hell of a ride so far!!! The continuation of that ride looks exciting as well.
Save a career for your later years in my opinon .
Still laughing:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Machinst
Different strokes for different folks for sure! :laugh: And finding a job you love is one of the greatest good fortunes ever.

I was 33 when I began getting serious about an occupation and went more for the money than for what I liked to do. I figured if log splitting was good enough for old Abe, doing something I didn't especially care for was good enough for me. It all worked out.

But if I had to do it over, I would have rather gotten serious earlier in life and at thar earlier age chosen something that fit my personality better. Still, in any occupation you can usually bring unique talents you possess into play.

Some of these guys on the Forum seem to find the school learning easy enough, so I figure they have what it takes to acquire the credentials (undergraduate and graduate degrees) that would no doubt catapult them into the really big money, or at very least, a comfortable level of income. It's a much greater +EV than anything I have seen so far in casino-related AP play. If they have the mind and talent, why not exploit it to the fullest extent?

But never in a million years would I criticize anyone for whom AP at casino games has seen them through in grand or even not so grand fashion. We all come at it from a different set of life circumstances. And most do what they think is best at any given time. I just hope that the younger folks, who I think may be more susceptible to the glamor and free spirit mentality of gambling, do not make serious life choices impulsively or for the wrong reasons. Like George Bernard Shaw said, "Youth is wasted on the young."
 

metronome

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more Fibonacci

I must have the right site bookmarked 'cause a week after Fibanacci sequence pops up, here is this book review in my local paper. Rod Serling, I know you're out there.:eek:;)

From Dallas Morning News, Sunday 8 Aug, 2010

A few words on numbers
By FRED BORTZ
Special Contributor

Fred Bortz (www. fred bortz.com  ) is a physicist and author of nearly 20 books for young readers.
[email protected]
No one loves a limerick more than scientists and mathematicians, and retired London dentist Eddy Levin thinks he knows why. The number of syllables in each line, either eight or five, are the seventh and sixth terms in the famous Fibonacci series.
Never heard of Fibonacci? All the more reason to seek out English journalist Alex Bellos’ Here’s Looking at Euclid: A Surprising Excursion Through the Astonishing World of Math.
As Bellos explains in easy-to-follow terms, the Fibonacci series begins with F 0 =0 and F 1 =1. Subsequent numbers equal the sum of the preceding pair. Levin has studied it because he is fanatic about phi, the “golden mean” or “golden ratio,” a number that has fascinated mathematicians at least as far back as the ancient Greeks.
His obsession has led him to create a three-pronged device to detect instances of that ratio, which he uses “with the concentration of a rabbi preparing a circumcision.” In more than three decades of making dentures, Levin discovered that his patients’ smiles looked most pleasing and natural when the ratios of the width of successive upper teeth from central incisors to first premolars was “golden.”
He made that discovery after becoming aware of a famous 1509 book called The Divine Proportion by Italian mathematician Luca Pacioli, writes Bellos. “Pacioli concluded that the number was a message from God, a source of secret knowledge about the inner beauty of things.”
Phi has a natural connection to Fibonacci numbers. The quotient of one Fibonacci number divided by its precursor in the series becomes closer and closer to phi.
Readers meet Levin in Chapter 8, the ninth of 12 loosely connected chapters that roughly follow the development of increasingly sophisticated mathematical ideas through history. Each chapter follows a similar pattern in which Bellos serves as an engaging tour guide who delights in sharing his adventures in mathematics, always illuminated by human stories.
Here’s Looking at Euclid
is full of surprises and insights from beginning to end. Beginning with Chapter 0, about a French professor who studies an Amazonian tribe with a language that has no words for numbers beyond five, it proceeds through chapters about counting, the Pythagorean theorem (including the numerological inclinations of its creator), zero, pi, algebra, mathematical games, number series, probability and statistics. It culminates with a chapter about non-Euclidean geometry and infinities — plural.
Even readers who know the math well enough to recognize where Bellos had to glide past some nuances will love this book for the stories.
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
aslan said:
Well, best of luck of course, Sage One--always and everywhere!

I hope you have the luck I had last night. Tired of the jungle, I went to downtown Vegas looking for a low limit adventure.

The blackjack games at Binion's have become laughable. They only pay 6:5 for a natural even on a shoe game. Except there was one single deck game that paid 3:2, but alas, you could only double down on 10/11, you could not double down after splitting, and I believe it was H17--probably poor pen as well, judging from the other games I observed.

So I wandered over to 4 Queens and found a JOB 9/6 machine in front of the cashier's cage and played until my eyes would not stay open and cashed out plus $20.

I then meandered around looking for a blackjack game, thinking it might stimulate the senses. I found a game, I think it was the Golden Nugget, $10, 8-deck, S17, DAS, DD2, LS, but marginal pen. I sat down and after some discussion about ES vs. LS, I began playing. Naturally, the first hand the dealer received a blackjack and beat the board. Second hand, I win, so I'm even for the start of the next shoe. You wouldn't believe what followed.

In KO the IRC is -28. This shoe the count never rose above -21 for the entire shoe. The real zinger is that I won $130 flat betting, and the dealer even had a blackjack one hand. I must have won every other hand to be 13 units ahead. It's the most phenomenal run I have ever had and it came on the dark side in a deep and persistent negative count. At the end of the shoe I cashed out. I figured the next shoe had to be the shoe from hell and I would rather bask in the pleasure of what had just happened. No big deal, but it was a pleasant evening with a $150 bonus to boot. May all your sessions be so lucky, and hopefully, at max bet!
another good story aslan,
far as the luck i had, why an the hell didn't somebody tell me it was friday the thirteenth?:cry::whip:
oh yeah, cause none of us believe in that crap bullsh!t nonsense superstition voodoo stuff.
cripes sake it was a jungle out there last night, ouch, ouch ouch!!!!!!!111
mamma said there would be days like this.:cry:
oh, well, back tomorrow and try again. so gotta try an get some zzzzzz's
:sleep::sleep::cry::cry::sleep::sleep:
 
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