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[biggamejames]

That depends. When the other player is looking for “hot streaks”, dealers on a “paying streak”, using stop-loss limits, trying to predict a “vicious losing streak” and not betting properly then yes, I have a considerable advantage over that player and anyone else who plays like him.

-Sonny-

Again you are making unfair assumptions and conclusions so that you make it seem like your arguments any stronger. Sorry bro, but it does not work. Remember this is blackjack we are talking about. The same paystreak seeker you are talking about might very well hit the jackpot and find it while you continue to sit through losing hand after losing hand...

I will say again, the coin has two sides. Stop assuming that the side you argue will be the way the cards will fall in a casino because we all know things dont work like that...

 

[EasyRhino]

Okay, let's discuss the new theoretical decision with which we are confronted:

You have just walked into a casino at which you are a regular. There are ten single deck tables available. For our purposes, they have all just shuffled the deck and are about to start a round. Which table should you join?

Well, I'm still concerned that taking into account your "track record" with a certain dealer will clutter your decision making, and prevent you from picking the right table. The right table would be the one with:

- the holecard-flashing dealer
- the dealer that gives better penetration
- 1 other player (if dealer uses Rule of 6)
- zero other players
- the fastest dealer
- the fastest player
- least convenient for the pit boss to get to
- away from a whale
- near a whale
- with the dealer/floorman with whom you have rapport
- with the dealer with the nicest bazookas

But avoiding the dealer you've had a losing streak with ranks down there with the color of the felt in terms of importance. And giving too much weight to it(i.e., any) could make you pick a worse table than otherwise.

I think this would be an appropriate topic to dredge up the story of the losing streak that followed one player from table to table and session to session (was that you, sonny?)

 

[Sonny]

the guy who started this thread was not talking about missing out on two measley hands at the end of the shoe.

That’s not true. He simply asked “how long does it take to make the decision to move on, before getting too punished?” He later added “But what if the count is good and you aren't winning?” That is the whole reason we’ve been explaining that he shouldn’t leave during the positive count. It was his original question.

What you further forget is that if you lose 2 out of say 3 or 4 hands in what was a previously positive count deck the count inevitably takes a hit like wise.

That’s also not true at all. In fact, you even mentioned this already when you said that a hot dealer is one that “just wont bust and keeps pulling 5 card 21s”. Obviously that would drive the count much higher and give the player an even bigger advantage. In fact, most of the time when the dealer wins it is because small cards are coming out of the deck/shoe. It is a fact that, overall, when the player loses his advantage tends to increase slightly.

Making assumptions like that is what turns winning players into losing gamblers.

-Sonny-

 

[Sonny]

The same paystreak seeker you are talking about might very well hit the jackpot and find it while you continue to sit through losing hand after losing hand...

That’s true, but you have to go with the odds. The player that I described is essentially randomly walking around the casino playing a losing game and wasting most of his time. I am only playing when I have a legitimate advantage over the house. If he succeeds it is purely because of luck, which won’t last long. When I succeed it is because of skill, which will last all the way to the long run.

When given the choice of betting on superstition or skill, I’ll put my money on skill every time. Maybe he'll "hit the jackpot" and I'll go broke, but the odds are heavily against either event.

-Sonny-

 

[Sonny]

I think this would be an appropriate topic to dredge up the story of the losing streak that followed one player from table to table and session to session (was that you, sonny?)

That wasn't me (yet ), but that's a good point. If you play on one shift long enough you will eventually have a "losing streak" against every dealer in the place! Then where do you play? And what if the only "paying" dealer left in the place has ploppies at the table? Poor BGJ wouldn't be able to get any action that day. But I'm sure the rest of us could make a nice score in a casino with 10 SD tables. :grin:

It's situations like this that really show how certain superstitions can greatly hurt an otherwise smart player. I think that's one of the main points of this thread. People often think that succumbing to superstitious beliefs doesn’t hurt them, but clearly it can.

Also, superstitous people can go "on tilt" and be knocked out of a good mental status much easier than rational people who understand the situation. That's another factor.

-Sonny-

 

[shadroch]

James,
Any advantage player has a huge edge over the other players at the table in almost every circumstance.
Just by knowing BS,they have a big advantage as 99% of people at the table don't even know that.Then a player like Sonny or Bojack knows hundreds of indices that they can use if a positive or a negative count.Most APs know some or most of the Illustrious 18,which will give them a huge advantage over the other players at the table.

 

[biggamejames]

Okay, let's discuss the new theoretical decision with which we are confronted:

You have just walked into a casino at which you are a regular. There are ten single deck tables available. For our purposes, they have all just shuffled the deck and are about to start a round. Which table should you join?

Well, I'm still concerned that taking into account your "track record" with a certain dealer will clutter your decision making, and prevent you from picking the right table. The right table would be the one with:

- the holecard-flashing dealer
- the dealer that gives better penetration
- 1 other player (if dealer uses Rule of 6)
- zero other players
- the fastest dealer
- the fastest player
- least convenient for the pit boss to get to
- away from a whale
- near a whale
- with the dealer/floorman with whom you have rapport
- with the dealer with the nicest bazookas
But avoiding the dealer you've had a losing streak with ranks down there with the color of the felt in terms of importance. And giving too much weight to it(i.e., any) could make you pick a worse table than otherwise.

I think this would be an appropriate topic to dredge up the story of the losing streak that followed one player from table to table and session to session (was that you, sonny?)

Did you run out space? Why didnt you include the cheating dealer who winks at you every time they take a peek under their face card and spot a low card underneath?

what about the dealer who deals from 'under" the deck

If you are going to post bogus and childish hypotheticals go all the way dude.. go all the way!!!:joker:

 

[biggamejames]

James,
Any advantage player has a huge edge over the other players at the table in almost every circumstance.
Just by knowing BS,they have a big advantage as 99% of people at the table don't even know that.Then a player like Sonny or Bojack knows hundreds of indices that they can use if a positive or a negative count.Most APs know some or most of the Illustrious 18,which will give them a huge advantage over the other players at the table.

Once again you are forging fake arguments where none are to be found.

I was not comparing AP player to BS player. I was comparing two AP players

 

[biggamejames]

That wasn't me (yet ), but that's a good point. If you play on one shift long enough you will eventually have a "losing streak" against every dealer in the place! Then where do you play? -

This is the absurd and rather stupid crap that i have been ranting against.

This is the very epidermy of a moronic statement on this bj forum. And you actually feel you have the right to call other players superstitious..


I have already told you to always consider the otherside of the coin when you make an argument lest you look stupid.

you will eventually have a "losing streak" against every dealer in the place!

how can you say such dumb crap!!!!


What are you comparing this bogus statement to?

Are you implying that if a person plays long enough with one dealer they will never hit a losing streak?


Preach on Sonny, the more you post, the more you are cautioned against posting these poorly though out unbalanced arguments the more absurd your posts get.


Do you even expect the dumbest of rookie posters to fail to see the huge hole in your premise? this here simply takes the cake!!!

 

[biggamejames]

That’s not true. He simply asked “how long does it take to make the decision to move on, before getting too punished?” He later added “But what if the count is good and you aren't winning?” That is the whole reason we’ve been explaining that he shouldn’t leave during the positive count. It was his original question.



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Thats good, you have figured out what he asked about.. Question is why is it that hard for you to figure out what my answer to him was ...(ie..to leave a table if he has lost 3-4 shoes with postive counts and find another table)

How did that translate to me telling him "Hey sonny, if you sit down at a table and lose one or two hands with a positve count, get up and leave"

 

[Sonny]

If you are going to post bogus and childish hypotheticals go all the way dude.. go all the way!!!:joker:

Why do you say that his list is bogus? Why are they only hypothetical? Every single item on his list is more legitimate than your idea of looking for “lucky” tables. And besides, a nice set of bazookas can make the inevitable losing streak feel much more enjoyable. :grin:

-Sonny-

P.S. - I think RJT is still waiting for some answers.

 

[biggamejames]

That wasn't me (yet ), but that's a good point. If you play on one shift long enough you will eventually have a "losing streak" against every dealer in the place! Then where do you play? And what if the only "paying" dealer left in the place has ploppies at the table? Poor BGJ wouldn't be able to get any action that day. But I'm sure the rest of us could make a nice score in a casino with 10 SD tables. :grin:

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That is the very thinking of a hard core compulsive gambler and loser.


Not only are you falsely implyng that one dealer in the casino wont feature a losing streak, you go far enough to suggest that a player has to stay in a casino until they realize a winning streak...

Even the dumbest of rookies on this forum know exactly how stupid you sound when you ask me where i will play if i dont like the tables!!!!

I can find another casino, I can quit altogether instead of playing at tables i dont like!!! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SIMPLY ABSTAINING FROM PLAY AND THERE IS NO WINNING BJ PLAYER WHO HAS TO PLAY EVERY TIME THEY SEE THE GREEN, OR HEAR THE SHUFFLING OF CARDS!!!!

 

[biggamejames]

Why do you say that his list is bogus? Why are they only hypothetical? Every single item on his list is more legitimate than your idea of looking for “lucky” tables. And besides, a nice set of bazookas can make the inevitable losing streak feel much more enjoyable. :grin:

-Sonny-

P.S. - I think RJT is still waiting for some answers.

and yet the arguments you have made have only turned out to expose you for the presumptous player that you are. Who thinks that because a scenario has both positive and negative possible outcomes, its ok to assume that only the positive outcomes will be realized.


Ps...And just so you know i answered every question asked of me by RJT...But why would i expect you to have seen and read those posts... You dont seem to bother with much else!!!

 

[GeorgeD]

cision making, and prevent you from picking the right table. The right table would be the one with:



- with the dealer with the nicest bazookas

Ez answer.... unless it's a GUY, but few of us would call any man-boobs "nice".

 

[Sonny]

Who thinks that because a scenario has both positive and negative possible outcomes, its ok to assume that only the positive outcomes will be realized.

As I said, I go with the odds. I am aware of both sides and I carefully weigh each side of the coin based on the probabilities. That is what smart players do. But I know how much you dislike the "mundane" math.

Not only are you falsely implyng that one dealer in the casino wont feature a losing streak, you go far enough to suggest that a player has to stay in a casino until they realize a winning streak...

I never implied any of those things. I think you’re just stretching to find an argument while avoiding the real questions. It’s much easier to insult people than it is to defend yourself and your system. If you’re not going to discuss your system then I’m going to lock this thread so that the pointless arguments don’t continue.

Even the dumbest of rookies on this forum know exactly how stupid you sound when you ask me where i will play if i dont like the tables!!!!

And that’s the big difference. I can go to any casino and find plenty of tables where I can get a nice advantage. You can’t. And you wonder which method is more profitable? You keep saying that superstitions don’t hurt you, but we keep finding more and more ways that they do.

-Sonny-

 

[biggamejames]

do you honestly think i give a rats ass if you close this thread? Its not like you or any one else here is imparting any knowlege of any significance to any one.

Go on and lock it... I would prefer you did that than see you expose people to dumb ideas like they have to stay in a casino regardless of their failure and lose everything but their shirts!!!

 

[Sonny]

This thread has been locked.

-Sonny-