Damn, dealer's can get bitchy...
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Kaiser
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I usually always tip a $1 chip and let it ride for the dealer. I had a dollar win 6 times in a row when I was just in Vegas. I'm pretty much only playing $5 tables, so I'm not too worried about betting enough. I do it a few times an hour, more if I'm winning a lot.
The guy I was with though, would tip a dollar or two quite a bit, and sometimes a $5 chip. Majorly overbetting, but he's always like that with tipping no matter what it is.
I had one asian dealer at the Four Queens really piss me off. He was the slowest ****ing dealer in the world and had a really bad attitude. He'd take FOREVER to deal his final card, and if he won, he'd take all of our money really deliberately while making eye contact. It was almost like he was enjoying it. We kept looking at each other like "WTF is this guy on?". This was before we even had a chance to start tipping the stupid bastard. Anyway, when I got up to leave, I had about 7 brown 50 cent chips. I slid them towards him, swirled them around, held them there for 10 seconds, then tapped them on the felt and said "thanks" before scooping them up and heading to the cage. :laugh:
The guy I was with though, would tip a dollar or two quite a bit, and sometimes a $5 chip. Majorly overbetting, but he's always like that with tipping no matter what it is.
I had one asian dealer at the Four Queens really piss me off. He was the slowest ****ing dealer in the world and had a really bad attitude. He'd take FOREVER to deal his final card, and if he won, he'd take all of our money really deliberately while making eye contact. It was almost like he was enjoying it. We kept looking at each other like "WTF is this guy on?". This was before we even had a chance to start tipping the stupid bastard. Anyway, when I got up to leave, I had about 7 brown 50 cent chips. I slid them towards him, swirled them around, held them there for 10 seconds, then tapped them on the felt and said "thanks" before scooping them up and heading to the cage. :laugh:
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ihate17
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You have got this right
Lump is a dealer term for the guy who does not hold his own.
My revenge on the dealer post would have no meaning if it was a pooled place but being a go for your own place, it definately pleased me to know that he was in the breakroom talking about the SOB who emptied the tray and did not give him a cent, even though he should know that it was he who caused it.
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At places that pool tips the toke box generally just stays at the table for the shift. So all the dealers at that table just put the tokes in the same box, but the dealers know which dealers have personality and which are lumps.Mimosine said:
Lump is a dealer term for the guy who does not hold his own.
My revenge on the dealer post would have no meaning if it was a pooled place but being a go for your own place, it definately pleased me to know that he was in the breakroom talking about the SOB who emptied the tray and did not give him a cent, even though he should know that it was he who caused it.
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EasyRhino
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Not in my neighborhood, they get 3:2 as well. Then again, if they're often tiny bets, the 3:2 is rounded down. (BJ on 50 cents doesn't do anyone any good).ScottH said:
The joy and curse of the dealer bet is that you have flexibility of whether or not to split/double it. Kind of like back-betting. In a few circumstances, you could avoid splitting a dealer bet if the resulting hands are still disadvantageeous (8,8 vs 10, etc). However, if you generally don't double-down or split dealer tokes when it would be advantageous, then that would reduce the toke bet's EV. And if you do double down/split dealer bets, that's going to increase tipping cost.
Contrast with just putting a white chip on your own stack "for the dealer", where you don't have to tip any winnings from a split/double, but you absolutely have to include that white chip if you want to split.
I think I thought it was always 1:1 since most people tip 1 dollar, so the 1.50 payout is "rounded down" to 1 dollar. So if everyone tips one dollar which is the norm at these tables, the payout for bj's pretty much is 1:1.EasyRhino said:
I've heard a lot of people say they are trying to tip but they keep losing the tip bet. Nobody around here realizes you can just give them a tip without betting it. I have never seen anyone even ask if the dealer wanted a tip without betting it. I would mention this to them, but then it would just bring more attention to me not tipping.
Kaiser
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You can't even make a bet for the dealer in Alberta officially. You can stick a dollar on your stack in you want and then tip if it wins, but they don't let you place a bet "for the dealer", ahead of your own chips. No idea why, though.
I do sometimes ask the dealer if they'd like the tip bet for them or not.
I do sometimes ask the dealer if they'd like the tip bet for them or not.
I think everyone in America should tip. Not because $3.50/hr wage is a joke, but because $3.50/hr wages are why America still has so many playable games. Imagine no beatable blackjack at all, it will happen if you stop tipping.
In Australia the law pretty much forces the minimum to be about $14-$15 per hour (about $10-$12 US). This has totally changed the games on offer. We have no tips, and in-fact there are now rules that prevent the dealer even accepting tips! The smallest minimum you can find is now $10. Did I mention none of these games are shoe games, they are all CSM, and they are all 6 deck with 7 players. There is no such thing as single/double deck games here. Shoe games only open at night, usually from 8PM to 12PM when all the drunks come in blabbing about how they don't trust the machines and they are shut down immediatly once the 7 person tables fall back down to 3 players or less.
I have not even been able to keep a shoe game open when green chipping, because if you play BS and there is 60 hands per hour, this is still only about $8 per hour the casino can expect to earn... and $10 per hour the dealer is costing them, let alone the rest of the staff etc. It pretty much takes black chipping or higher for them to give you a shoe game, and if you do this they are all over you for counting.
So if I were you I would tip, because no tipping will just mean totally **** games.
In Australia the law pretty much forces the minimum to be about $14-$15 per hour (about $10-$12 US). This has totally changed the games on offer. We have no tips, and in-fact there are now rules that prevent the dealer even accepting tips! The smallest minimum you can find is now $10. Did I mention none of these games are shoe games, they are all CSM, and they are all 6 deck with 7 players. There is no such thing as single/double deck games here. Shoe games only open at night, usually from 8PM to 12PM when all the drunks come in blabbing about how they don't trust the machines and they are shut down immediatly once the 7 person tables fall back down to 3 players or less.
I have not even been able to keep a shoe game open when green chipping, because if you play BS and there is 60 hands per hour, this is still only about $8 per hour the casino can expect to earn... and $10 per hour the dealer is costing them, let alone the rest of the staff etc. It pretty much takes black chipping or higher for them to give you a shoe game, and if you do this they are all over you for counting.
So if I were you I would tip, because no tipping will just mean totally **** games.
Ms. Dalton
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If I'm playing pitch, I always tip. If a dealer is capable of impacting what cards are dealt (most likely in pitch games) its wisest to have the dealer wanting you to win. That being said, I only tip by placing a bet for the dealer(motivation again) and I only place that bet when conditions are very favorable.
Playing shoe, I still place bets for the dealer as my tip but his attitude would jurisdict my tipping pattern.
I had a roommate that was a dealer for a while and she has said some amazing things about dealer ability to manipulate cards when playing handheld blackjack.
Playing shoe, I still place bets for the dealer as my tip but his attitude would jurisdict my tipping pattern.
I had a roommate that was a dealer for a while and she has said some amazing things about dealer ability to manipulate cards when playing handheld blackjack.
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Whoa wait a minute- if you even suspect a dealer is manipulating cards in a BJ game you run like hell! The chance of bad things happening is so much greater than the chance of good things. Especially when you are tipping, good God, if they can prove collusion between you and the dealer cheating in your favor in exchange for tips you can go to prison.Ms. Dalton said:
Ms. Dalton
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I couldn't agree with you more, if I thought someone was cheating I'd leave(after all someone's job is more important than shared tips). But considering what I've heard, more dealers are capable of manipulating cards than what many people are actually cognizant of. Perhaps my ex-roomate exaggerates dealer ability but IF that were the case, I was simply saying doesn't it make sense to have the dealer mentally "on your side". No collusion worries, I do fine without having to cheat.
Automatic Monkey
Banned
I'm sure plenty of dealers can do it, and maybe they do play around with it in the break room, but doing it, doing it without getting caught, and having a reason to do it are three different things.Ms. Dalton said:
Aside from the infamous Cal-Neva in Reno, the only places I've heard of outright dealer cheat have been a few Indian casinos, where the "gaming commission" consists of Chief Squatting Dog sitting up in his office with heap firewater and the dealer can be assured nothing will happen to them if they cheat to benefit the house. I would avoid any dealer who uses an unfamiliar grip or motion on the cards, or who causes the cards to make an unfamiliar sound when dealt.
I have worked in a number of jobs where tipping is part of the compensation and that's what you need to understand: Tipping is part of the compensation.
Just because it's not a law doesn't mean you're not SUPPOSED to do it.
If you can't afford at least 15%, don't go to restaurants. Eat in. Go to Taco Bell. But if you can have the knowledge that someone gets paid less than min. wage (or even min. wage) and that tipping is expected and you don't do it, then you need an attitude adjustment yourself, I think.
I don't have a problem tipping dealers because I know it's how they pay their mortgage, feed their kids, etc. Same with waiters. Same with pizza delivery guys.
It's all part of it. Just because it's not a legality doesn't mean that 15% extra is not part of your meal, or that a few chips here are there isn't part of the cost of sitting down at that table.
Just because it's not a law doesn't mean you're not SUPPOSED to do it.
If you can't afford at least 15%, don't go to restaurants. Eat in. Go to Taco Bell. But if you can have the knowledge that someone gets paid less than min. wage (or even min. wage) and that tipping is expected and you don't do it, then you need an attitude adjustment yourself, I think.
I don't have a problem tipping dealers because I know it's how they pay their mortgage, feed their kids, etc. Same with waiters. Same with pizza delivery guys.
It's all part of it. Just because it's not a legality doesn't mean that 15% extra is not part of your meal, or that a few chips here are there isn't part of the cost of sitting down at that table.
ihate17
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The average player
I agree no casino can run a table on a profit of $8 or several times that amount. The thing is, if your game has a house edge of .5% against BS, you know you are actually making about 5X that amount because, at least in this country, perfect BS players are very very rare. So even $40 per hour is a pittance when you look at your total expense for running the table.
So, if you are paying the dealer $5 or $10 per hour, it is still a small amount and one key to the whole thing is how do you get both more players and bigger players to your casino. The other key, is to charge a higher rental for that seat on the low limit tables, which in fact they do in Vegas.
Tipping of course helps, but there is a cultural and expectation difference between our countries. I do not know if you can live in Australia on $12 U.S. an hour, if you can I doubt you live that well. I do not know any U.S. dealer who would take a raise to $12 but then not accept tips.
Dealers take the stance that the casino really does not want them to get too many tips. Side bets such as lucky ladies and the $1 bonus bets in games like Carribean Stud are believed by most dealers as devices to take tokes from dealers. So perhaps the casino wants the customer to pay the dealers salary but at the same time the casino wants every dollar the customer comes in with for themselves?
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Daciumdacium said:
I agree no casino can run a table on a profit of $8 or several times that amount. The thing is, if your game has a house edge of .5% against BS, you know you are actually making about 5X that amount because, at least in this country, perfect BS players are very very rare. So even $40 per hour is a pittance when you look at your total expense for running the table.
So, if you are paying the dealer $5 or $10 per hour, it is still a small amount and one key to the whole thing is how do you get both more players and bigger players to your casino. The other key, is to charge a higher rental for that seat on the low limit tables, which in fact they do in Vegas.
Tipping of course helps, but there is a cultural and expectation difference between our countries. I do not know if you can live in Australia on $12 U.S. an hour, if you can I doubt you live that well. I do not know any U.S. dealer who would take a raise to $12 but then not accept tips.
Dealers take the stance that the casino really does not want them to get too many tips. Side bets such as lucky ladies and the $1 bonus bets in games like Carribean Stud are believed by most dealers as devices to take tokes from dealers. So perhaps the casino wants the customer to pay the dealers salary but at the same time the casino wants every dollar the customer comes in with for themselves?
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