Damn, dealer's can get bitchy...

[biggamejames]

i havent been counting cards for long.

But i strongly believe in tipping the dealer.

I only tip if i am winning something or if i get up to walk away from a table and i have singles from making change to tip the waitress.

I am too tired to talk about the numerous nods and winks and other oddities i have recieved from dealers just because i tip well.

But if you are a card counter, you would have to be silly if you dont tip your dealer. I would have thought a forum like this would be one that actively encourages people to tip their dealers.

You have everything to gain from this and a lot to lose if you piss them off.

 

[ChefJJ]

You have everything to gain from this and a lot to lose if you piss them off.

I agree...but there are a lot of tightwads out there. Not that they deserve it, but if they earn it.

 

[moo321]

I don't have a problem with tipping dealers, it's just when dealers expect you to tip like $5 an hour at the low limit game. Why the hell should you earn $20 an hour? Oh, because you went to dealer school for a few weeks? I'll give you a dollar or two an hour, because that's what you deserve. I know social workers with master's degrees who are actually doing good in the world that barely make $10 an hour.

And restaurant servers are the worst. They have absolutely no skills, all they do is take your order and ferry your food back and forth from the kitchen, and they all get pissy when you don't tip 20% or more, which is like $20 an hour in a lot of places. If you want to make that kind of money, go acquire some marketable skills. I'm sure as **** not going to provide anyone with a much higher standard of living than I currently enjoy, just because they feel entitled to it.

 

[ScottH]

I agree...but there are a lot of tightwads out there. Not that they deserve it, but if they earn it.

That's why I DONT give my chips to them, I EARNED them!

Like I mentioned a while back, I would certainly tip if I was making a high enough EV to do so. I am too much of a low-roller right now to tip. I am in bankroll building mode right now, and the best way to build it is to keep all the chips I get...

 

[BJDave]

I always stack my blackjack 50-cent pieces and $1 chips. When a dealer gets smart*** and asks if I know what they're for (i.e, tipping), I say "Yeah, they're to make sure I can buy lunch when I'm done. Help me make the red/green stacks just as tall and I'll make sure you have a nice meal, too." I say it with a friendly smile and get no flack in return.

If I don't like a dealer, they aren't getting squat for tips - I at least want to enjoy losing my money so I expect the dealer to be friendly. I always at 3rd base and usually for two or more hours so I get a reall opportunity to observe how the dealers act. If I'm winning and bumping my bets, I have no problem betting a buck for the dealer. As long as I'm winning, I'll keep betting for the dealer.

If I'm not winning, I just bet a toke occasionally. I like to bet a toke on the first two or three hands when I sit down so the dealer takes immediate notice of me. If they don't seem appreciative of the attempt to win them some money and be nice to me, screw 'em - they won't get another bet.

 

[SPX]

And restaurant servers are the worst. They have absolutely no skills, all they do is take your order and ferry your food back and forth from the kitchen

That's not true at all. There's a big difference between a good server and a bad one, and even a good one and an average one. A lot has to do with personality. And a lot has to do with organizational skills.

I tried waiting tables and was terrible at it. If I had more than one or two tables, I would get confused and was slow and just not very good. I tried my best, but that wasn't very good. So I got out of it.

And you can forget about $20 an hour. I usually worked the lunch shift and there were plenty of days when many of the people walked with about $20 for the whole shift.

 

[BJDave]

I do believe that you tip dealers for the "Service" - just to be clear. It bothers me more when I see players who don't tip the cockatil waitress a buck for bring them a free beer to the table.

 

[Brutus]

That's not true at all. There's a big difference between a good server and a bad one

I hate it when waitresses say "how is your lunch tasting?" because usually, its just average TGI Fridays (or name your own chain restaraunt, ) out of the can crapola.

if the food is served on the waitress, I tip extra for that.

I do believe that you tip dealers for the "Service" - just to be clear. It bothers me more when I see players who don't tip the cockatail waitress a buck for bring them a free beer to the table.

I admit it, I'm a generous tipper.

 

[moo321]

That's not true at all. There's a big difference between a good server and a bad one, and even a good one and an average one. A lot has to do with personality. And a lot has to do with organizational skills.

I tried waiting tables and was terrible at it. If I had more than one or two tables, I would get confused and was slow and just not very good. I tried my best, but that wasn't very good. So I got out of it.

And you can forget about $20 an hour. I usually worked the lunch shift and there were plenty of days when many of the people walked with about $20 for the whole shift.

When I say that they have no skills, I mean that they have nothing more than general skills. There are plenty of people with good customer service and organizational skills, but they don't deserve $20 an hour just for having general personality traits. If you can operate a forklift, practice law, drive a semi, or understand tax law, those are all specific skills that deserve more money.

 

[EasyRhino]

At first... I would try to see if tipping near the end of the shoe would yield better penetration or something... it generally doesn't. Now I just try to tip fairly early, and if the dealer douches me in some way (usually by cutting off more decks after the shuffle), then I generally stop tipping, and try to find a new dealer. This may be different if you were at a tiny joint where there were only a couple dealers, and you were stuck with them.

For me, the most fun (but affordable) method of tipping is the "let it ride" tip. but a small chip on top of your stack. If you win, give the winnings to the dealer, and keep the small chip on top. But you only "spend" the chip once, when you put it on your stack.

Often it loses immediately (like a regular toke bet). And when you win only one hand, the dealer only gets a silver, or a red chip, or whatever, instead of two. But when you go on a winning streak, it can become comically awesome.

I had one dealer pick up about 14 $1 chips from one streak. And another time, when I was really firing it up, a dealer collected about 10 red chips (thus, in that one shoe, he won over twice what I make per hour at my job)

The hardest part, of course, is making the dealer know that you're at least trying to tip when you're putting that chip on top. One dealer actually asked me "what the hell is that chip for?" while doing an annoying payout, to which I responded "It's for you, bonehead!" Sometimes I'm diplomatic like that.

 

[Mimosine]

For me, the most fun (but affordable) method of tipping is the "let it ride" tip. but a small chip on top of your stack. If you win, give the winnings to the dealer, and keep the small chip on top. But you only "spend" the chip once, when you put it on your stack.

i'm an avid adherent to this strategy.

i usually wait for a plus count, though - but if a dealer does something nice in favor of the players, then i do it earlier.

oh, and the other night i had two diferent dealers "push" my losing bet. in once case i had a 13! vs. a dealer pat total, in another i had a 5 or 6 card 18 vs a dealer 19. push in both cases! never seen it before happen to me.... though i didn't tip in this case for obvious reasons....

 

[ChefJJ]

When I say that they have no skills, I mean that they have nothing more than general skills. There are plenty of people with good customer service and organizational skills, but they don't deserve $20 an hour just for having general personality traits. If you can operate a forklift, practice law, drive a semi, or understand tax law, those are all specific skills that deserve more money.

That's debatable.

 

[moo321]

I think it's the same as people in other low-skill positions complaining because they can't get the same wages as they used to. I remember fairly recently there were strikes by grocery cashier's unions in California that were striking because they cut the top pay scale from $22/hr to something like $18.

Everyone in manufacturing seems to think that they are entitled to $20 an hour or more, even though their job only requires a month of training, and there are people in the world willing and able to do their job for $1 an hour. I fact, overpaid, bitchy workers are the main reason US automakers have been sliding downhill since the 70's.

 

[ChefJJ]

I fact, overpaid, bitchy workers are the main reason US automakers have been sliding downhill since the 70's.

That's debatable too...you could also chalk up the auto companies' unwillingness to think that any other countries could produce viable competition early on.

But I'd say it's more about greed...workers, the companies, a little of both.

 

[GeorgeD]

That's debatable too...you could also chalk up the auto companies' unwillingness to think that any other countries could produce viable competition early on.

But I'd say it's more about greed...workers, the companies, a little of both.

True, but the biggest problem now is the cost of health care that automakers pay for current employees and retirees. How can they compete against makers in countries that have government health care? Only one way to solve that problem.

 

[SPX]

When I say that they have no skills, I mean that they have nothing more than general skills. There are plenty of people with good customer service and organizational skills, but they don't deserve $20 an hour just for having general personality traits. If you can operate a forklift, practice law, drive a semi, or understand tax law, those are all specific skills that deserve more money.

I don't know man. I'm a computer technician by trade, but I'm much better with computers than I was as a waiter. That would generally be considered a higher level skill . . . but I respect the hell out of a good server and understand that I simply can't do what he/she does.

 

[dacium]

As a forigner, when I go to America i am always amazed at how tipping actually effects the work force. For example in casinos and restaurants the staff would typically be 18-25 year olds in Australia or some adults working part time at night. In America you have adult males etc. who could be a waiter as a full time job making a very high income.

One restaurant I went to for a function had a waiter being tipped an average of about 15% to 20% per table, with each tables bill being about $100. In the two hours I was there he handled 12 tables, thats about $200 in tips. only in America!

 

[moo321]

Yeah, my old neighbor was a waiter at an upscale restaurant. He worked about 25 hours a week, owned a car outright, paid a mortgage, and supported a stay at home wife and a kid. Damn good waiter, too.