'Dice Control' Denounced

[blackriver]

DANG! I guess pogo will give up his secret of dice control. On the come out ,hold 5 & 6 for a 7 also may produce a horn number, so always bet horn on the come out & always parlay the horn . After the number has been established ,place 6&8 . Hold dice with 3s in a V shape & throw level & easy. I may have posted this valuable info somewhere . Come on now! you know you are going to try it LOL POGO

This is not so clear

 

[ChefJJ]

Blackriver,

I cannot figure out pogo's come-out approach either. Having a Yo on top can occur in a couple different sets, but it could one that keeps the 3/4s on the rotational axis. But the point-cycle set he is referring to is a 3V/Flying V that can be very strong for inside numbers for a player who has a dominant tendency to keep the dice on-axis.

Maybe pogo will come back to elaborate, but maybe BrianCP has the answer after all :grin: Step 2 = magic!!!

good luck :joker:

 

[ChefJJ]

If you notice the don't pass & don't come are small with the don't come only at each end of the table hardly noticeable. WHY! Thats because house does not want you to play don't pass & don't come

Really? Or is it because the vast majority of players prefer playing "with" the shooter rather than "against"? Don't get me wrong, the casinos continue to use psychology and other mind games to influence players...but why would the casino leave equal table space for the Don't bets when rarely do you see 1 in 6 players wagering that way?

After all, the long run HE differential between the do and don't side bets is only about 3 hundredths of a percent, right? It's all good though.

good luck :joker:

 

[getwellboss]

I'm back! Look guys if you have been playing craps for as long as I have ,you will soon learn that positioning the dice is only a personal choice . GOD, I wish there was a secret to winning . I will tell you how to play & only give the house a tiny edge. If you notice the don't pass & don't come are small with the don't come only at each end of the table hardly noticeable. WHY! Thats because house does not want you to play don't pass & don't come I want you guys to down load a craps game & play don't pass & play don't come every throw of the dice. Just do it & come back & let us know how you did . POGO Remember > Every throw of the dice ,just keep the don't come working. . You will see what I am talking about. OH! Do not take odds on this way of betting. Believe me , just don't.

So i wasn't sure if you were joking or not....but I tried this out.

After about 25 minutes of playing nickels on every roll like you said(including the initial Pass Line bet I have to make on that link), I am up $105. This could just be pure chance because of the small sample, but you might have a point. There was one "hot streak" the computer had, which hit me a little hard, but over all it usually hit 7's after 3 or 4 rolls.

I wonder how this would be perceived at live tables though, always betting against the shooter.

Either way, I'm definitely interested in craps and want to learn a lot more about it.

 

[BrianCP]

So i wasn't sure if you were joking or not....but I tried this out.

After about 25 minutes of playing nickels on every roll like you said(including the initial Pass Line bet I have to make on that link), I am up $105. This could just be pure chance because of the small sample, but you might have a point. There was one "hot streak" the computer had, which hit me a little hard, but over all it usually hit 7's after 3 or 4 rolls.

I wonder how this would be perceived at live tables though, always betting against the shooter.

Either way, I'm definitely interested in craps and want to learn a lot more about it.

I just got interested myself a few days ago, For a less annoying simulation, check out thewizardofodds

his webpage has a non annoying craps game on it.

Fun to learn about, hope dice "control" really works, if not oh well.

 

[ChefJJ]

So i wasn't sure if you were joking or not....but I tried this out.

After about 25 minutes of playing nickels on every roll like you said(including the initial Pass Line bet I have to make on that link), I am up $105. This could just be pure chance because of the small sample, but you might have a point. There was one "hot streak" the computer had, which hit me a little hard, but over all it usually hit 7's after 3 or 4 rolls.

I wonder how this would be perceived at live tables though, always betting against the shooter.

Either way, I'm definitely interested in craps and want to learn a lot more about it.

Thought I would try the simulator too for the fun of it...started out with four straight Yos, two 7s, and then another Yo. Gotta love the short run! Seven consecutive come-out natural winners when you first walk to the table...too bad it ain't real $$$

But seriously though...savvy players don't really care whether there is someone at the table betting the Don'ts. It's really nothing personal. HOWEVER, casinos and notably, the craps tables, are full of superstitious people and can get confrontational at times when it comes to "the sacred flow".

Play your own game. That's all I can say.

good luck :joker:

 

[getwellboss]

Thought I would try the simulator too for the fun of it...started out with four straight Yos, two 7s, and then another Yo. Gotta love the short run! Seven consecutive come-out natural winners when you first walk to the table...too bad it ain't real $$$

But seriously though...savvy players don't really care whether there is someone at the table betting the Don'ts. It's really nothing personal. HOWEVER, casinos and notably, the craps tables, are full of superstitious people and can get confrontational at times when it comes to "the sacred flow".

Play your own game. That's all I can say.

good luck :joker:

Honestly I'm not too worried about the other people. I was just curious on what people might think. I'll probably either pretend that I don't know what I am doing or say something about the table being just "too cold" to bet with the shooter.

I'll be in Vegas in a few weeks with some friends and they will probably play craps(it's all they've been talking about). I'm thinking about betting this way(when i play this instead of blackjack) because they have never really played before and are just going to throw at random. Hmmmm.

 

[moo321]

I think dice control is pretty well done. No one can even claim honest statistically significant results. The only way to win is with cheating methods like short rolls.

 

[ChefJJ]

Pogo, please don't interpret an ounce of disrespect when I say that betting either Don't Pass with no Odds or Pass Line with Odds is pretty much Craps 101. Best bets on the table, and simplest to make.

Not sure I understand what kind of feedback you're looking for, but it sounds like you're on the right track. I'm not a big fan of laying Odds on the Don'ts either. You've already got an advantage when the point travels for an even-money payout, so why pay more to earn less by laying Odds? That's more of a philosophical thing than a mathematical one though.

 

[MountainMan]

Taking odds on don'ts

After all, the long run HE differential between the do and don't side bets is only about 3 hundredths of a percent, right? It's all good though.

good luck :joker:

When you consider full odds on the don't pass bets, the percentage improvement in your EV becomes more significant.

 

[BrianCP]

When you consider full odds on the don't pass bets, the percentage improvement in your EV becomes more significant.

While this is true, calculate the exact difference in money given a particular amount you bet on either. Then, ask yourself if it is worth that much over that period of time for the extra fun of the pass line.

I actually wouldn't know, this just occurred to me is all.

 

[ChefJJ]

When you consider full odds on the don't pass bets, the percentage improvement in your EV becomes more significant.

And bankroll fluctuation goes through the roof.

My statement was part of a context where the post said that the casinos try to "hide" the Don't wagers on the layout. There's no conspiracy by the casinos to hide it...if there's anything they may be trying to hide, it's the Free Odds bet because it is not on the layout. But at the same time, dealers are often noting to players when they have not taken or laid odds.

Just an observation. :joker:

 

[sancusa]

Anyone has used this device and let me know if it really helps?

http://www.ahcraps.com/DiceSettingTarget.htm

 

[ChefJJ]

Target Practice

Anyone has used this device and let me know if it really helps?

http://www.ahcraps.com/DiceSettingTarget.htm

First, I'll start by saying "no" I have not used the device.

But there are cheaper ways (much less than $55) to hone in on target practice at home. Depends what your practice setup is like, but you've got a couple good options.

Full table: With a full craps layout at home, there are many areas to select for a target...the circle around the Field bet 2, the end of the Come box, etc.

Portable setup: For starters, you can mark a landing zone on your felt and aim for that. It's not too difficult to see if the dice are hitting the table in that circle, square, or whatever shape you've got on there.

In either circumstance, you can always put something down on the table such as a piece of paper, cardboard, or fabric of another color to make the target zone "pop" visually. However, anything on the layout may affect the resulting roll-out of the dice. But if you are just going through a target practice segment, then you may not be too concerned with what happens after touching down at that point.

Same thing goes with the device in the link. Your roll-out results will be affected after hitting the pad, but it's all about making a visual impact for positive landing zone hits. So it appears to be very helpful for that, if you are up for the investment. Secondly, the device is not a fixture of the table and thus can be moved around to different spots. That is nice, because different tables in the casinos have different characteristics that necessitate different landing zones based on how you throw (trajectory, spin, force, etc.).

Best of luck :joker: