Diplomacy and Bully Tactics with other APs in the Same Casino

[HockeXpert]

if by some massive fluke you do end up sitting next to one of the bare handful of players out there good enough to track successfully and can somehow confirm this, walking away's the last thing you should do

My sentiment exactly but you're more likely to spot a Skunk Ape or Yeti before you spot a shuffle tracker.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Put on a suit, walk up to the counter, and tap him on the back.

"Sir, your play is too good for us and you can no longer play blackjack here."

He leaves, you sit.

 

[Thunder]

Holecarders are even worse, they will try to force non-associated people out of the seat they desire, AP or not. It doesn't sound like a very productive strategy to try this on an AP. If I was counting a game and HC'ers tried harassing me, I'd just correct the dealer so I can continue counting in peace.

question is, why wouldn't you be HCing then

 

[MangoJ]

question is, why wouldn't you be HCing then

You know he is flashing, but you cannot see the card.

 

[farmdoggy]

Holecarders are even worse, they will try to force non-associated people out of the seat they desire, AP or not. It doesn't sound like a very productive strategy to try this on an AP. If I was counting a game and HC'ers tried harassing me, I'd just correct the dealer so I can continue counting in peace.

That sounds like a terrible idea... Out of spite, couldn't they just notify the pit that you're counting? I don't really see the difference...

Any other idea would be better. Sell your seat OR give it up if there's another one at the table and try to wise up to the spotters signals OR if allowed backbet their BP. This way the AP's come out ahead including yourself. Your way, the casino is the only party to come out ahead.

 

[alwayssplitaces]

APers are our friends in the business, we shouldn't be harassing them. If I see another counter at the table, I'd move to another table and have the dealer leave a clear chip at my seat so that it stays empty for a while, which is good for the other counter.

 

[Gamblor]

Lately I've seen a lot more APs in my local casinos, lets just say its an area known for good BJ rules. Last 5 sessions, must have encountered 3 APs. We're like locusts

When I go to AC, I almost never encounter another AP. Guess the crappy BJ rules keep them away.

 

[Eye of the Tiger]

At one of the casino's I play at I've have experienced a bully AP. I had been playing at this one table for a while before he had strolled up to the table. He was making a few remarks about my betting saying you sure do know when to raise you're bet. I kept my mouth shut and did not say a word. Then about 3 weeks later I ran into him in a parking around the casino. I walked up to him and said do you remember me ? I bitch slapped him and kicked him in the nuts and told him to have a nice day. The last time I seen him he was laying in the parking lot holding his nuts and that was over a year ago. That's one of solving you're problem with a big mouth. :laugh:

 

[Southpaw]

At one of the casino's I play at I've have experienced a bully AP. I had been playing at this one table for a while before he had strolled up to the table. He was making a few remarks about my betting saying you sure do know when to raise you're bet. I kept my mouth shut and did not say a word. Then about 3 weeks later I ran into him in a parking around the casino. I walked up to him and said do you remember me ? I bitch slapped him and kicked him in the nuts and told him to have a nice day. The last time I seen him he was laying in the parking lot holding his nuts and that was over a year ago. That's one of solving you're problem with a big mouth. :laugh:

Unless you are a female, I find this story very hard to believe. Perhaps as difficult to believe as that nonsense Chipper was trying to push on us.

Spaw

 

[Friendo]

I bitch slapped him and kicked him in the nuts and told him to have a nice day. The last time I seen him he was laying in the parking lot holding his nuts and that was over a year ago. That's one of solving you're problem with a big mouth. :laugh:

You should have finished him. He is now a loose end which you must tie up.

Now you have an enemy. I don't have any enemies. I don't permit such a thing.

Find him. It won't be hard. If he is unwilling to come to you, you should communicate to him that he can only save his family if he shows himself. Do not raise his hopes: tell him that he cannot save himself, but that if he does not appear then his family is responsible, same as him.

Use the one right tool for the job: a captive bolt pistol or a shotgun. If he resists, go after his family after disposing of him. You are not to decide absolutely the fate of his family members: that is a coin toss, which they must call. Make clear to them that they must call it; you can't call it for them.

If they call it wrong, check the bottom of your boots for before leaving the house.

 

[Eye of the Tiger]

Unless you are a female, I find this story very hard to believe. Perhaps as difficult to believe as that nonsense Chipper was trying to push on us.

Spaw

To each his own. If you ever run into a AP with sore nuts you will know it's true. I believe you will find him attending the BJ bash. Check for him. I will also assume you play the Midwest maybe we will run into each other.

 

[NightStalker]

Countless morons

lots of bullying and other cheap tactics. Some are impressive and innovative though.. I try to focus on my work and let uncivilized people live their greedy life...

 

[Eye of the Tiger]

You should have finished him. He is now a loose end which you must tie up.

Now you have an enemy. I don't have any enemies. I don't permit such a thing.

Find him. It won't be hard. If he is unwilling to come to you, you should communicate to him that he can only save his family if he shows himself. Do not raise his hopes: tell him that he cannot save himself, but that if he does not appear then his family is responsible, same as him.

Use the one right tool for the job: a captive bolt pistol or a shotgun. If he resists, go after his family after disposing of him. You are not to decide absolutely the fate of his family members: that is a coin toss, which they must call. Make clear to them that they must call it; you can't call it for them.

If they call it wrong, check the bottom of your boots for before leaving the house.

That's a little to extreme. I usually am the quiet guy at the table. I keep to myself. I am a perfect gentlemen.

 

[Southpaw]

To each his own. If you ever run into a AP with sore nuts you will know it's true. I believe you will find him attending the BJ bash. Check for him. I will also assume you play the Midwest maybe we will run into each other.

The story has become more convincing. If I accidentally wong your game, please don't punch me in the nuts.

Spaw

 

[EmeraldCityBJ]

Holecarders are even worse, they will try to force non-associated people out of the seat they desire, AP or not. It doesn't sound like a very productive strategy to try this on an AP. If I was counting a game and HC'ers tried harassing me, I'd just correct the dealer so I can continue counting in peace.

That sounds like a terrible idea... Out of spite, couldn't they just notify the pit that you're counting? I don't really see the difference...

Any other idea would be better. Sell your seat OR give it up if there's another one at the table and try to wise up to the spotters signals OR if allowed backbet their BP. This way the AP's come out ahead including yourself. Your way, the casino is the only party to come out ahead.

I agree that correcting a dealer is a horrible idea. What really has me curious is how you can know for certain that the person bullying you for the seat is actually an HC'er rather than a random civilian?

I also highly doubt any HC'er would out a card counter to the pit. First of all, it would make them appear smart which is almost always a bad thing. Secondly, why would the pit trust some random person's word that some other random player is a counter?

FWIW - The most common seat wars I hear about are related to getting in on a good promotion while it lasts. In at least one case, a promotion ended early because of this. Part of the problem was because the promo was known to too many APs, and there were just too many people trying to play it. Another factor was the APs who arrived too late made a stink about not getting the seat rather than just quietly walking away.

In my opinion, the most dangerous people in the casino are (in the order listed):

1. Other APs who do not know how to conduct themselves in a casino.
2. Ploppies who cannot keep their mouth shut.
3. Casino employees.

This issue is one of the reasons inexperienced APs tops my list.

 

[WRX]

Holecarders are even worse, they will try to force non-associated people out of the seat they desire, AP or not. It doesn't sound like a very productive strategy to try this on an AP. If I was counting a game and HC'ers tried harassing me, I'd just correct the dealer so I can continue counting in peace.

AM, this is just bad for business. If another AP is being an Ahole to you, and refuses to be reasonable and work things out, I'm sure you're creative enough to find another way to get back at him. But please, I hope no one here will deliberately go around killing games. Whatever your strategy, counting or otherwise, good games are rare enough that we can't afford to help the casinos destroy the opportunities that exist. It's not just the guy you're trying to get your revenge on that will be hurt.

 

[kewljason]

AM, this is just bad for business. If another AP is being an Ahole to you, and refuses to be reasonable and work things out, I'm sure you're creative enough to find another way to get back at him. But please, I hope no one here will deliberately go around killing games. Whatever your strategy, counting or otherwise, good games are rare enough that we can't afford to help the casinos destroy the opportunities that exist. It's not just the guy you're trying to get your revenge on that will be hurt.

I am not a hole card player, so I wasn't going to comment on this, monkey, but I have to admit I was quite taken back when I read your statement. Seems pretty extreme and not like you at all. I don't want to give the impression that I am timed and afraid of my own shadow, because that's not the case, but if you do something that extreme, intentionally costing another player an opportunity, there could be consequences. You don't know who you are dealing with. Some of these people are mentally unstable.

 

[Friendo]

I am not a hole card player, so I wasn't going to comment on this, monkey, but I have to admit I was quite taken back when I read your statement.

I can't speak for him, but I assumed he was being ironic, indulging in sorehead fantasy. As when W.C. Fields says "I would never hit a woman with a child; I'd hit her with a brick."

 

[QFIT]

I can't speak for him, but I assumed he was being ironic, indulging in sorehead fantasy. As when W.C. Fields says "I would never hit a woman with a child; I'd hit her with a brick."

That's one view. In my mind, there are some very sick people in this thread. Seriously, most card counters are great people. I'm so tired of sick, violent, malcontents posting pure hate. That make us look bad. Don't you guys realize that this crap is read by jurors?

 

[BOND]

Diplomatic Solutions

That's one view. In my mind, there are some very sick people in this thread. Seriously, most card counters are great people. I'm so tired of sick, violent, malcontents posting pure hate. That make us look bad. Don't you guys realize that this crap is read by jurors?

I think QFIT is correct. Most APs are gentlemen.

We should find diplomatic solutions to handle the few AP bully situations that do occur. For example:

1) Offer to sell your seat
2) Try to reach a verbal agreement to share the BJ tables
3) Retreat and leave the table and/or casino if necessary
4) Avoid verbal and physical confrontation