Disgruntled

Tarzan

Tarzan

Banned
We scored the disgruntled former surveillance guy on our side... wouldn't it be nice to round this out with a few disgruntled laid off dealers, pit supervisors, pit bosses and perhaps even a former floor manager/shift manager? With the lay-offs or possibility of lay-offs in the industry, this is in the realm of possibilities!

Actual lay-offs have not really happened to any great extent in AC from what I know, aside from hearing yesterday that Caesar's chopped some people. I have seen some other things lately that I have never seen before, such as someone (as in a pit boss or supervisor type) minus their official name tag wandering through a casino other than the one they work in and looking about, as if doing some sort of industrial espionage or recon. Who knows though, perhaps it is just idle curiosity rather than my elaborate conspiracy theory.

The recession or whatever you wish to call it has had a noticeable effect but not what appears to be a huge and overwhelming effect. I am hearing from multiple sources that dealers tips are in decline in the last 6 months or so for basically the same amount of "action". In my migratory travels I have noticed that certain people that used to be weekly fixtures in places are no longer around, one case in point is some ancient old guy that used to be planted at a bank of video poker machines that I could set my watch by this guy here was there so much. He's from Pennsylvania and rode a bus in on a regular basis about 3 days a week. Poof! Gone! He is just one example of many though.

The overall is that there is still no shortage of people in the casinos! Recession my ASS! What I truly think? For 28 straight years the AC casinos had profits through the roof on a steady gain... big huge stupid dollars in which the management could write themselves "AIG style" bonuses spend money as frivolously as they cared to and so on. Now they are still doing plenty of business that they can stay afloat but business has leveled out is all. They don't know how to act unless money is pouring at them from all directions and they have so much they can't even spend it all?! What???!!!!???? Can't write myself a 2 million dollar bonus this year?????? OMG! I am or must be all but bankrupt!! Hahahaha This is my impression... because from all appearances, the AC casinos are still raking it in and doing plenty of business. It's just not as juicy as it was is all.
 
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InPlay

Banned
Tarzan said:
We scored the disgruntled former surveillance guy on our side... wouldn't it be nice to round this out with a few disgruntled laid off dealers, pit supervisors, pit bosses and perhaps even a former floor manager/shift manager? With the lay-offs or possibility of lay-offs in the industry, this is in the realm of possibilities!

Actual lay-offs have not really happened to any great extent in AC from what I know, aside from hearing yesterday that Caesar's chopped some people. I have seen some other things lately that I have never seen before, such as someone (as in a pit boss or supervisor type) minus their official name tag wandering through a casino other than the one they work in and looking about, as if doing some sort of industrial espionage or recon. Who knows though, perhaps it is just idle curiosity rather than my elaborate conspiracy theory.

The recession or whatever you wish to call it has had a noticeable effect but not what appears to be a huge and overwhelming effect. I am hearing from multiple sources that dealers tips are in decline in the last 6 months or so for basically the same amount of "action". In my migratory travels I have noticed that certain people that used to be weekly fixtures in places are no longer around, one case in point is some ancient old guy that used to be planted at a bank of video poker machines that I could set my watch by this guy here was there so much. He's from Pennsylvania and rode a bus in on a regular basis about 3 days a week. Poof! Gone! He is just one example of many though.

The overall is that there is still no shortage of people in the casinos! Recession my ASS! What I truly think? For 28 straight years the AC casinos had profits through the roof on a steady gain... big huge stupid dollars in which the management could write themselves "AIG style" bonuses spend money as frivolously as they cared to and so on. Now they are still doing plenty of business that they can stay afloat but business has leveled out is all. They don't know how to act unless money is pouring at them from all directions and they have so much they can't even spend it all?! What???!!!!???? Can't write myself a 2 million dollar bonus this year?????? OMG! I am or must be all but bankrupt!! Hahahaha This is my impression... because from all appearances, the AC casinos are still raking it in and doing plenty of business. It's just not as juicy as it was is all.
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I think you have scored a Pentouse Article writer. Swampland anyone?
 
QFIT

QFIT

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Automatic Monkey said:
"I never believed any of these stories were true, until one day I was at the laundromat and I met this..."
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You met her too!
 
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shadroch

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InPlay said:
I knew we could finally come together on something.
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Yep. I was kinda hoping it would be me in a pickup and you afoot when we came together, but what the hell.....
 
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InPlay

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shadroch said:
Yep. I was kinda hoping it would be me in a pickup and you afoot when we came together, but what the hell.....
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I can see thru all the smoke and the bull me and you are cut from the same material.
 
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RedChipper

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Cash flow is fine for most casinos. It's paying off the debt right now that's the problem. Most casinos financed themselves through massive borrowings which brought on some pretty high interest rates. So even though the casinos are making money, they aren't making enough any more to pay off the interest.

They're just trying to refinance their debt whether that's through declaring bankruptcy or working directly with lenders.
 
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ccl

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i dealt for over a year, i think policies differ casino to casino but i could answer questions for people if you have them, as well as find answers out from friends who still deal at smaller and much larger places all over the country.

ccl
 
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Kasi

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ccl said:
i dealt for over a year, i think policies differ casino to casino but i could answer questions for people if you have them, as well as find answers out from friends who still deal at smaller and much larger places all over the country.ccl
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Were you ever "penalized" becasue a player, not maybe that it's relevant but it sounded like a "ploppyish" player to me, from what the dealer told me, by management?

I mean this dealer, I think it was at SP21, was getting all freaked out that someone was winning a little money. She told me dealing SP21 was some kind of punishment and that she had not been allowed to deal BJ for 6 months because somebody had won a bunch at BJ 6 months prior.

The obvious implication management somehow blamed "her" for screwing up in some way and allowing such a thing to happen.

It blew me away then that such a thing could actually possibly be true?

You think crap like this can actually happen out there in the real world?

Not that she really cared that much when all is said and done because, after all, no matter what game she was told to deal or handle, she was still making her hourly wage.

So no proof, in a way, that the 2 events of suffering a "big" loss at a BJ table while dealing and never being assigned to deal another BJ table for 6 months could ever be related.

She just assumed the 2 events were related.

You ever hear of anything like this? Is management sometimes that "superstitious" to maybe just stay on the "safe" side, and take a dealer off a game just in case or something?

I think she told me she was going to be allowed to resume dealing BJ next week. So, apparently, the "suspension" would soon be over.

I mean would you say, in any way, shape, or form, that dealers can somehow, transparently or not, be held responsible by management for a winning player?

The next step, obviously, would be like the Sears auto mechanics who were paid by how much they found "wrong" with a car.

Do dealers have some unspoken code they are supposed to obey to do what must be done to minimize a player's winnings?
 
blackchipjim

blackchipjim

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Whip the dealers!

It's funny you would say punishment for dealers is the sp21 table. I joke with dealers about being on the low min csm tables for screwing up somewhere else. If you don't think that it is the ultimate torture to deal to morons arguing about stupid plays and losing their asses and having to listen to it for 8hrs nothing is worse. I had one dealer tell me they would rather clean puke off the restroom floor than deal those tables. :laugh: blackchipjim
 
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FLASH1296

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Years ago, I "dropped a dime" on a floor person at a high end casino, for being continually sexually harassing toward female dealers.

His punishment was being reassigned to the worst low limit pit in the house for a full year.

He had been rubbing elbows with whales for many years.

It pleased me no end; especially as I saw him once "half-shoe" a player. :joker:
 
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bjhack

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Tarzan said:



The overall is that there is still no shortage of people in the casinos! Recession my ASS!
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Low-comp players (i.e., don't gamble a lot, but some ($300l oss/5 days) we are getting a heap of free room offers from Harrah's properties, and cheap rooms at Harrahs' places that we might stay.

I really believe LV is hurting; can say about AC.
 
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ccl

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our place we were never punished, if you were though it was basicaly several unpaid days off work. We had to deal spanish 21 and blackjack nightly since we rotated around the pit not only dealing certain games but dealing everything.

Goofy thing about N. Calif is spanish 21 is more popular than regular blackjack, i had more than one occasion when BJ was empty a customer ask what it was and when i told them they said something along the lines of "ill wait for spanish 21 since thats a sucker game (talking about the regular BJ game)"

we did however go for our own tips, i think both go for own and pooling has its ups and downs.

ccl
 
Tarzan

Tarzan

Banned
Question for CCL

I have a question, CCL. As a dealer what sort of "standing orders" or "general orders", if any are given to dealers pertaining to possible advantage players? Does the pit hierarchy dole out any procedural things as far as waving red flags if a dealer sees a player that has some sort of possibility of being an advantage player? Can a dealer catch any flack for losing chips to an advantage player?

I am asking this for an important reason... one or two incidents that occurred over the years that I witnessed of what can only be described as "dealer initiated heat".
 
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ccl

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our place you were only supposed to call the floorperson over if you witnessed some form of cheating or chip theft, etc... as far as advantage players there was nothing in the training to teach you what to look for. I doubt even the floor personel lower than a shift supervisor even knew what to watch for. i knew a few counters in the area and didnt ever warn anyone about them and they play daily there several hours a day and are actually welcomed by the casino, doubt they even gave a thought to them counting, i didnt realize it when i dealt, but see it now.

other casinos my friends are at the floor people are trained to watch counters but not the dealers, so i think its place to place, sometimes dealers will get pissed at a non tipping player that they think is counting and after they push off the table and warn the floorperson, ive seen that from other dealers there.
 
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