FW is now H17

[duanedibley]

With the change at Foxwoods, which game is better

Foxwoods is still better. I would rather be kicked repeatedly in the nuts than play blackjack at Mohegan Sun.

 

[tthree]

Hello Everyone,

I'm an experienced card counter who plays for the fun of beating the casinos at their own game. I live minutes from Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in Connecticut and have been playing the 8 deck games at Foxwoods and MGM Grand for their good penetration. With the change at Foxwoods, which game is better, the 6 deck S17 at Mohegan Sun with penetration in the mid 60% range or the H17 8 deck at Foxwoods with 80% pen which I can and do find? I can find 75% pen at Mohegan Sun occasionally but I really have to search for it. I did see the SCORE from SlightOfHand but I was wondering if anyone could elaborate.

The gain curve for penetration shows a slight fairly linear increase as penetration increases. It is somewhat parallel to to the penetration axis in the graph. Not much reward for deeper penetration. However; at some point the graph takes a sharp turn upward and more or less parallels the gain axis in a linear form. If the pen passes this bend the returns are much much more significant.

Someone else can comment on the specifics as Im not sure but I think its around 75% pen.

 

[tthree]

Correction

in practice my explanation of the curve doesnt apply. The house wont allow penetration much past this bend, but the general concept applies. That little bit extra means a lot.

 

[melbedewy]

At FW right now and I can confirm that it's true. Two of the four parts already have converted to H17. Sad day. I really hope all the ploppies start going to MS to force them to change it back.

Yes, I think FW is still the preferable game due to pen considerations.

I just left there and it is as packed as ever. :flame:
I'm moving to the Sun. Though they will be changing over soon enough. As long as those of us from New Haven to New Hampshire have no drivable alternative we are f***ed.
Frankly, I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.
Good news though. All over the idiot slots are draped big "Looser Slots" signs. They must have upped the payouts from 90.3% to 90.4%. :laugh:

 

[Ferretnparrot]

How much of foxwoods is h17? is it all or only half like somebopdy suggested before? theres like 4 or 5 sections of foxwoods with table games.

 

[The Suburbs]

All of it except HL rooms

How much of foxwoods is h17? is it all or only half like somebopdy suggested before? theres like 4 or 5 sections of foxwoods with table games.

I was there on Saturday and everything except MGM was H17. I believe they are changing MGM this week if it's not changed already. The HL rooms are still S17.

BTW, Ferret, this is the guy you met at FW about a month ago that got you a free dinner.

 

[Ferretnparrot]

I was there on Saturday and everything except MGM was H17. I believe they are changing MGM this week if it's not changed already. The HL rooms are still S17.

BTW, Ferret, this is the guy you met at FW about a month ago that got you a free dinner.

Oh snap, i still owe you for that one.

I was going to come up today, but then i got a coupon in the mail for gas card which is valid tomorrow, so i think maybe tomorrow if i go. H17 is so ehhh, id rather to mohegan and wong like a mad man. I dont think the penn is all that bad like everybody says, but i also havnt been there in a while.

 

[FLASH1296]

As of TODAY … High Limit BJ is still 6 deck S17 L.S. at Foxwoods and the penetration in the Newport room is excellent with 0.8 to 1.0 decks cut off.

 

[johndoe]

As of TODAY … High Limit BJ is still 6 deck S17 L.S. at Foxwoods and the penetration in the Newport room is excellent with 0.8 to 1.0 decks cut off.

Is the heat in the HL room still as high as it's purported to be?

 

[FLASH1296]

Pretty recently my buddy got 86'd but spreading 20 to 1 in black is beyond greedy with such a tasty game.

 

[The Suburbs]

Is the heat in the HL room still as high as it's purported to be?

I have played in the Newport and MGM HL rooms on occasion (mainly when I'm playing from behind) at various times of day and have not experienced too much heat spreading 10:1 or 12:1 (50-500/600).

That being said, I would hazard a guess that the HL rooms will definitely get sweatier now considering the vast difference in quality between the games outside and inside. Before the risk/reward wasn't really worth it to play in the HL rooms. Now, with generally less crowded tables, S17, 6 decks, and better pen, it will more than likely be worth it to play in the HL rooms as long as you make sure to have your heat radar up.

 

[21forme]

Is the heat in the HL room still as high as it's purported to be?

That's where I got b/o'd

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I have played in the Newport and MGM HL rooms on occasion (mainly when I'm playing from behind) at various times of day and have not experienced too much heat spreading 10:1 or 12:1 (50-500/600).

That being said, I would hazard a guess that the HL rooms will definitely get sweatier now considering the vast difference in quality between the games outside and inside. Before the risk/reward wasn't really worth it to play in the HL rooms. Now, with generally less crowded tables, S17, 6 decks, and better pen, it will more than likely be worth it to play in the HL rooms as long as you make sure to have your heat radar up.

Don't. Even at H17 you are still better off out on the main floor where you can enter at any time and skip hands. You can do that all you want on the main floor and still be less noticeable than someone spreading in the Newport room. The pen is also more variable out in the jungle, which means there's some very bad pen, and some very good pen.

 

[FLASH1296]

I concur 100% with A.M.

If you disagree you are seriously wrong !

This is only open to debate if you know little and refuse to
be guided by the intrepid explorers who have preceded you.

 

[ekimlacks]

I wonder how much FW makes out doing this...the percentage obviously tips in their favor, but I wonder how many followers they lose...

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I wonder how much FW makes out doing this...the percentage obviously tips in their favor, but I wonder how many followers they lose...

Not much, especially being most ploppies there play something closer to H17 basic strategy than S17 basic strategy anyway. Especially if Mohegan doesn't follow suit, they will probably lose enough civilian green chippers to more than piss away whatever they gained. There aren't enough counters who will be affected to make a difference.

My guess is they will take a slight loss due to it, but whoever made the decision will just attribute it to something else ("the economy" etc.) and walk around like some kind of a hero. That's the way it works in a casino, the decision makers and the people who judge them are both just plain stupid. Especially a place like Foxwoods that is run by a bunch of semi-literate slumlords, who call their cornrows braids and then call themselves Indians.

 

[Pelerus]

MGM has not been re-felted yet, as of yesterday.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

MGM has not been re-felted yet, as of yesterday.

They would be wise to leave it S17. Make it a trap!

 

[StudiodeKadent]

They would be wise to leave it S17. Make it a trap!

By "trap" you mean a "place with good rules, with the aim of 'concentrating' all the relatively knowledgeable players in the same area, so as to make it easy to spot counters," am I correct?

 

[Blue Efficacy]

By "trap" you mean a "place with good rules, with the aim of 'concentrating' all the relatively knowledgeable players in the same area, so as to make it easy to spot counters," am I correct?

Yep! Although the REALLY REALLY knowledgeable players would know this, and look for opportunities in the H17 pits, which are now easier due to the more skilled floor and surveillance personnel protecting the S17 games.