Korea update needed please

[halibut]

Hi bigruss. Thanks for the information. That explains why a counter
next to me refused my bet in his box. BTW, they still didn't seem to
mind large spreads up to 1-50. I think it's wise to be more conservative
for a while though.

halibut

 

[Moneyboy]

I went to play BJ at Walker Hill a month ago, first time playing in Korea. I did not have enough time to play at other casinos. The night I played, they were cutting 1.5-2 decks off the 8 deck shoe. I noticed they were cutting around 2.5 decks, the next morning when I was playing a 8 deck shoe game when I sat down with 2 players who was losing and one was probably a regular. When he left, the penetration improved to around 1-1.5 deck cut. I am not sure if he was a CC'er or just a losing regular as he left before I noticed any change in the count, to me he looked like he was just steaming. Does Walker Hill or other Korean casinos change penetration based on known regulars or bet spreads? What other forms of heat/harrasment do they use? Should I get a players card and how good are Korean casinos when it comes to comps or players card points for BJ play? I understand food/bevarage is free if I order at the tables. Any difference with plays of other players or enviroment compare to the US? Do the dealers expect you to tip or make a bet for them? I do not understand any Korean language. I am planning to make another trip to Korea in next month and I plan to try other casinos. I also will be going to Asia often this year and I plan to make frequent visits to Korea if it is worth my time. Also what is the best time to play in a Korean casino or best casino to play with a few players as possible or by myself?

 

[jnrwilliam]

I went to play BJ at Walker Hill a month ago, first time playing in Korea. I did not have enough time to play at other casinos. The night I played, they were cutting 1.5-2 decks off the 8 deck shoe. I noticed they were cutting around 2.5 decks, the next morning when I was playing a 8 deck shoe game when I sat down with 2 players who was losing and one was probably a regular. When he left, the penetration improved to around 1-1.5 deck cut. I am not sure if he was a CC'er or just a losing regular as he left before I noticed any change in the count, to me he looked like he was just steaming. Does Walker Hill or other Korean casinos change penetration based on known regulars or bet spreads? What other forms of heat/harrasment do they use? Should I get a players card and how good are Korean casinos when it comes to comps or players card points for BJ play? I understand food/bevarage is free if I order at the tables. Any difference with plays of other players or enviroment compare to the US? Do the dealers expect you to tip or make a bet for them? I do not understand any Korean language. I am planning to make another trip to Korea in next month and I plan to try other casinos. I also will be going to Asia often this year and I plan to make frequent visits to Korea if it is worth my time. Also what is the best time to play in a Korean casino or best casino to play with a few players as possible or by myself?

it is not the right time certainly, many cc were barred in Korea recently.

 

[halibut]

As to the players, their skills and manners are quite poor. They believe in the "Flow". They tend to stand too much and surrender too much. You rarely find players who know B.S. As such, some of them (mostly Korean) complain when you hit 12 vs 2, split 88 vs 10, double a7 vs 6, etc.

 

[jnrwilliam]

I've been counting cards in Seoul for a while. Lately, I had encountered TC over 28 in one of the casinos. Over 28, can you believe it? It was the end of shoe and less than one deck left. The running count was 28.

I understand it doesn't mean anything for just one shoe. But I had also encountered many shoes ended at RC over 15, less than one deck left. I also counted 4s, 5s and Aces but I didn't find anything unusual. Anyway, I just want to let you know that if you count cards in Seoul, just be careful. Maybe there's a reason why t
he casinos don't care about people counting cards.

San

where did u get the TC 28, 6d or 8d?
what happened to the following shoes, i mean the count ?

 

[Moneyboy]

In a Korean casino, how do currency exchanges work if I bring in USD or Japanese YEN? When I cashed out, they demanded to show receipt of exchange. How are the exchange rates? Is it true the reconversion is free and the winnings are free of exchange rate fees up to a certain amount? Is it better to take won and convert them at a bank instead? What is the best way to cash in and out of Korean casinos?

 

[jnrwilliam]

Korea

In a Korean casino, how do currency exchanges work if I bring in USD or Japanese YEN? When I cashed out, they demanded to show receipt of exchange. How are the exchange rates? Is it true the reconversion is free and the winnings are free of exchange rate fees up to a certain amount? Is it better to take won and convert them at a bank instead? What is the best way to cash in and out of Korean casinos?

bring either currenecy is fine.
exchange in casino, no profit made fr exchange by them.
u can exchange the winnings in money exchange shop.
keep the receipt fr casino, treat it as money.

 

[chichow]

Exchange

You have to keep your receipt when you exchange your foreign currency for korean won.

you can get back your foreign currency (up to the amount you changed in) at the same rate.

your winnings i would change elsewhere. The rate at the casino is bad.
The rate at Gimpo is also bad.
The rate at Incheon is less bad.

I don't know if you can change at a bank or if you need to have a bank account.

 

[halibut]

The heat at 7 luck casinos seems to be getting more severe. They specifically prohibit spreading into the other player's spot now (even between a wife and a husband). They still tolerate large bet spreads though.

 

[chichow]

Any change in Heat - has it died down?

Is it at both 7 Luck properties?

What about Walker?

 

[halibut]

Is it at both 7 Luck properties?

What about Walker?

Yes, it is prohibited at both 7 Luck casinos. The heat is not so fierce at Walkerhill. But I have never seen any counter there.
It is strange to me because I expected to see some of the former regulars at COEX. There must be some reason why they don't play at Walker.

 

[San]

Yes, it is prohibited at both 7 Luck casinos. The heat is not so fierce at Walkerhill. But I have never seen any counter there.
It is strange to me because I expected to see some of the former regulars at COEX. There must be some reason why they don't play at Walker.

Actually, the heat at Walker Hill has been much more fierce than 7Luck. I believe many of the regulars at Coex were banned long time ago at Walker Hill, even before 7luck was started. Be careful and don't spread more than 1-15 at Walker Hill.

 

[halibut]

Actually, the heat at Walker Hill has been much more fierce than 7Luck. I believe many of the regulars at Coex were banned long time ago at Walker Hill, even before 7luck was started. Be careful and don't spread more than 1-15 at Walker Hill.

That makes perfect sense. Thanks for the information.

 

[chichow]

I didn't notice much heat recently at 7 Luck Coex. Then again, I wasn't spreading large. And the Japanese were out in force holding court over entire tables with 150 - 200k USD in chips during the weekends.

For my single data point playing with some other players there was no problem betting on another player's circle. There was some variation in dealer sensitivity. Some dealers allowed you to place the bet on top of another player's circle. Others followed proper procedure and required the other player to take your bet and place it on their hand.

I have not been to Walker for a while (sooooooooo far on E. Seoul) that I can't comment on heat or play there.

 

[MacauData]

Yes, it is prohibited at both 7 Luck casinos. The heat is not so fierce at Walkerhill. But I have never seen any counter there.
It is strange to me because I expected to see some of the former regulars at COEX. There must be some reason why they don't play at Walker.

The truth is right after 7luck sweep out CC, some of them flood to Walkerhill already. These new faces (no matter Japanese or Chinese) are immediately barred by Walkerhill in just one day. Obviously they know what's going on with their counterparty.

Data

 

[jnrwilliam]

I didn't notice much heat recently at 7 Luck Coex. Then again, I wasn't spreading large. And the Japanese were out in force holding court over entire tables with 150 - 200k USD in chips during the weekends.

For my single data point playing with some other players there was no problem betting on another player's circle. There was some variation in dealer sensitivity. Some dealers allowed you to place the bet on top of another player's circle. Others followed proper procedure and required the other player to take your bet and place it on their hand.

I have not been to Walker for a while (sooooooooo far on E. Seoul) that I can't comment on heat or play there.

what is your spread?

 

[chichow]

Spread

I would be willing to spread 1-15 or 1-20 but frankly the count for me never justified it. In my data point I was doing at most a 1 - 8 and that is over multiple boxes. I did see the japnese on occasion going from 2 black to 2 yellow but it's hard to say because that would be for one bettor while it would vary for the other Japanese players at the table. Clearly say one table of 3 playing 5 or 6 boxes all were together and if you counted jointly their bet rAmp you could get to 1-20 but who really knows. Plus I didn't watch enough of their play since I needed to get my hands in

 

[chichow]

Cards up

I did see at least twice at 7luck coex where they changed decks and as part of their procedure they fanned the card face up. I don't recall exactly where or whT people where saying that they didn't fan the cards up. Maybe that was walker hill

 

[halibut]

The truth is right after 7luck sweep out CC, some of them flood to Walkerhill already. These new faces (no matter Japanese or Chinese) are immediately barred by Walkerhill in just one day. Obviously they know what's going on with their counterparty.

Wow, it reminds me of Order 66. Obviously, Seoul is not CC's paradise any more.

I did see at least twice at 7luck coex where they changed decks and as part of their procedure they fanned the card face up. I don't recall exactly where or whT people where saying that they didn't fan the cards up. Maybe that was walker hill

Flipping cards was discussed in the posts #9-15 of this thread. At Walkerhill, they show the unplayed cards at the end of a shoe. Not sure if they show the cards up when changing decks.

 

[jnrwilliam]

I left Seoul about 3 months ago,bj in 7 luck still dealt by hands,now I heard that it seems becoming CSM ? Anyone can confirm that?Anyway,from what I remember,7 luck COEX is the best place to CC,not 7 luck Hilton(it's 7 box and very crowded).
As Walkerhill,it's still dealt by hands,But very serious Heat,haha.

still shoes but very heat.