letter to the members

[Katweezel]

I hope anyone playing this game's having fun with it, or it's not worth it. Anyone with the smarts and the dedication to be successful at blackjack could probably make a lot more money doing something else. So if you're still playing, it had better be because you love the game, or because you love the life, or because money won is sweeter than money from a paycheck. So let's lighten up!

Well said! Sounds like good advice to me. And free!

 

[BillytheBJkid]

Once again, my frustration flowed over this past weekend, and for that I apoligize. I mostly blame myself for defending these personal attacks and continuing to engage in discussions concerning such nonsence. It shows a definate lack of discipline on my part, for which I hope to do better by limiting my participation to blackjack related topics and away from personal discussions.

It seems a couple member's don't care for me and continually hint at or state outright that I am a fraud. This confuses me a bit and I suspect deep down they know this isn't true. I mean what have I claimed on this site? That I am some AP superstar who has taken the casino's for millions? Hardly. :laugh: In 2007, my first year of posting, I made roughly 20 grand or about what a fast food worker makes. Last year, I had a little more success mostly because I was finally able to grow my bankroll to a level which supported larger wagers. My income was still pretty modest, in the mid 5 figure range, far less than most full time AP's would find acceptable and as Kim Lee stated after we communicated, I spend far greater time acheiving these results than most AP's would find reasonable. So if telling tall tales was my thing, I think I could do a bit better than this. :laugh:

What other members think of me or choose to believe doesn't affect my bottom line one bit. It just taints my name when I participate on this site.

I am grateful to Ken, Sonny, Icount&track and other moderator(s) that I may not know by name for providing this site, from which I have learned and continue to learn volumes. My AP skills and efforts are very elementary still, consisting mostly of just counting, but I am sure my efforts and results have benefited from the knowledge I have received from this site and it's members.

Concerning the recent 'BJ Bash thread'. As stated, I think the Bash is a tremendous opportunity for those that choose to attend. Make some blackjack aquantances, learn some new skills, have some fun and maybe visit a location that you otherwise wouldn't. I personally have a handful of attendees that I would like to someday meet. There are a variety of reasons why a players might choose not to attend though and I don't think that indicates anything other than that player has some concerns that for him or her outweigh the benefits at this time.

It saddens me to see someone have an agenda to divide the membership into those who attend and are the real deal and outsiders. I am glad to see that no other attendees shared that view, at least publicly.

I don't understand all the politics, agendas and attacks on this site. Other than maybe not sharing some sensative information about a juicy game or opportunity, (greed :laugh I like to think we are all on the same team. Let's all stop the backstabbing and personal attacks (myself included) and unite against the common enemy.

dude, you wine a lot. what do you care if people don'tlike you or what they say about you? You looked like you knew what you were doing last year when I saw you play. at least you did good that day. so just chill out, smoke a blunt and do your own thing.

 

[BillytheBJkid]

On the other hand, if they work together and take turns raising their bets it could be good cover. zg

it could be good cover for the guy that is betting smaller dollars becaus the casino will be watching the bigger better.

 

[sagefr0g]

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=18951

Now two perfect strangers are merging bankrolls! Oy vey!

sure, i've been doing it for a couple of weeks with another AP, instead of butting heads out in the wildcasinodom. dude was a perfect stranger at first, it was easily apparent to the both of us what we were about, turned out we had mutual associates and knowledge in common once we got to talking. it didn't take long that it was apparent the necessary degree of trust was in order.
making splits isn't such an uncommon thing among AP's it turns out. it can help reduce the rate of risk as ZG points out and as you point out there can be a reduction in the rate of profits.
it can also make for a more harmonious situation amongst competing AP's out in the wild casinodom.
i'll give ya this much, such actions may be less common among counter AP's, but just my guess it may well happen.

 

[Dopple]

I have always appreciated your comments KJ.

Keep the faith baby.

 

[sagefr0g]

the wild blackjackinfo.comdom

any one read this stuff over in voodoo?
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=18951
lol, ok, pretty sophomoric silly stuff, i know.
what ever, what's with all this beating the big cat when he's down?:cat::whip:
cliques, division among the ranks???? territorial head butting out in the wild blackjackinfo.comdom????
hey, i'm in the big cat's pack. (imagine that, a fr0g squiggling in the muck and mire of the swamp out in the evolutionary wild casinodom, in a wolf pack headed by a panther).
whatever, it's gonna be some butt smelling amongst a pack and even some snapping of fangs and tussles over whatever from one time to another, it's how it is in nature, roflmao.
so but whatever, i just wonder when the big cat gets back is he gonna get to have his say, or is it gonna be 'gone with the wind' again, lol.

 

[kewljason]

any one read this stuff over in voodoo?
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=18951
lol, ok, pretty sophomoric silly stuff, i know.
what ever, what's with all this beating the big cat when he's down?:cat::whip:
cliques, division among the ranks???? territorial head butting out in the wild blackjackinfo.comdom????
hey, i'm in the big cat's pack. (imagine that, a fr0g squiggling in the muck and mire of the swamp out in the evolutionary wild casinodom, in a wolf pack headed by a panther).
whatever, it's gonna be some butt smelling amongst a pack and even some snapping of fangs and tussles over whatever from one time to another, it's how it is in nature, roflmao.
so but whatever, i just wonder when the big cat gets back is he gonna get to have his say, or is it gonna be 'gone with the wind' again, lol.

I am quite sure he will appreciate your loyality, frog. I must have missed the part about kicking him when he's down. I just re-read this thread again in it's entirely and still don't see it. As for your declaration that you are 'in the big cat's pack', why is that kind of thing necessary. This is a public message board where members are suppossed to come to contribute and discuss the topic of blackjack and advantage play. Why do you guys need to form teams?

 

[zengrifter]

it could be good cover for the guy that is betting smaller dollars becaus the casino will be watching the bigger better.

No. They would need to be in cahoots and alternate the big bets. zg

 

[zengrifter]

any one read this stuff over in voodoo?
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=18951
lol, ok, pretty sophomoric silly stuff, i know.
what ever, what's with all this beating the big cat when he's down?:cat::whip:
cliques, division among the ranks???? territorial head butting out in the wild blackjackinfo.comdom????
hey, i'm in the big cat's pack. (imagine that, a fr0g squiggling in the muck and mire of the swamp out in the evolutionary wild casinodom, in a wolf pack headed by a panther).
whatever, it's gonna be some butt smelling amongst a pack and even some snapping of fangs and tussles over whatever from one time to another, it's how it is in nature, roflmao.
so but whatever, i just wonder when the big cat gets back is he gonna get to have his say, or is it gonna be 'gone with the wind' again, lol.

Where is King Stork when we need him? zg

 

[sagefr0g]

I am quite sure he will appreciate your loyality, frog. I must have missed the part about kicking him when he's down.

not my exact words Kewl Won, but close enough i guess.
whatever, i just mean he ain't able to be here to respond to stuff while some are making statements that he might want to respond to. then what is gonna happen if he does respond, get the axe again?:whip:
examples:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=192312&postcount=3
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=192315&postcount=6
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=192322&postcount=9
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=192352&postcount=17
....... not to mention other stuff alluded to .......

I just re-read this thread again in it's entirely and still don't see it.

you didn't see that stuff?

As for your declaration that you are 'in the big cat's pack', why is that kind of thing necessary.

lol, i guess it's not necessary, whatever, you are a lone wolf, no?
kewl with me.
hey no big deal, a pack is just a subset of what's part of nature out there, no?
it's a big universe, lmao. no big deal my friend, errh i hope we are friends, i know CP is my friend.

This is a public message board where members are suppossed to come to contribute and discuss the topic of blackjack and advantage play. Why do you guys need to form teams?

well, i'm not sure what you are getting at, but teams are a good thing far as advantage play stuff, no?

 

[sagefr0g]

Where is King Stork when we need him? zg

errh .......

 

[kewljason]

not my exact words Kewl Won, but close enough i guess.
whatever, i just mean he ain't able to be here to respond to stuff while some are making statements that he might want to respond to. then what is gonna happen if he does respond, get the axe again?:whip:
examples:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=192312&postcount=3
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=192315&postcount=6
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=192322&postcount=9
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=192352&postcount=17
....... not to mention other stuff alluded to .......

you didn't see that stuff?

lol, i guess it's not necessary, whatever, you are a lone wolf, no?
kewl with me.
hey no big deal, a pack is just a subset of what's part of nature out there, no?
it's a big universe, lmao. no big deal my friend, errh i hope we are friends, i know CP is my friend.

well, i'm not sure what you are getting at, but teams are a good thing far as advantage play stuff, no?

I don't know about us being friends. I can't say that I consider anyone on the board a personal friend. It's more people that I communicate with on a blackjack message board. Some I don't care for how they present themselves or treat other members and some I do. I realize your situation is different as you have made friendships that go beyond the message board which is fine for you. I certainly don't dislike you because you are friends with CP or anyone in particular. I judge each individual on their own merit, not the company they keep, and although I may not always agree with you, I have always found you to be respectful and pleasant towards me.

Now concerning your posted examples of kicking when down:

#1 while shad did mention CP by name, I didn't think he kicked him. #3 I didn't think Fubster's little photo was particularly about CP. Rather I though it was directed more at me by saying there are people out there in all walks of life that hate for whatever reason. Deal with it. Maybe I misinterpeted it. #4 I see nothing in Psyducks post that was in any way about CP, even remotely hinting at. Now, #2 Sucker did make mention of CP, not by name, but clearly was speaking of him and related another incident. If that warrants a response only the 'big cat' can decide. :laugh:

As for team: Teams in advantage play...Yes of course. Teams or sides on message board. For what?

 

[sagefr0g]

I don't know about us being friends. I can't say that I consider anyone on the board a personal friend. It's more people that I communicate with on a blackjack message board. Some I don't care for how they present themselves or treat other members and some I do. I realize your situation is different as you have made friendships that go beyond the message board which is fine for you. I certainly don't dislike you because you are friends with CP or anyone in particular. I judge each individual on their own merit, not the company they keep, and although I may not always agree with you, I have always found you to be respectful and pleasant towards me.

Now concerning your posted examples of kicking when down:

#1 while shad did mention CP by name, I didn't think he kicked him. #3 I didn't think Fubster's little photo was particularly about CP. Rather I though it was directed more at me by saying there are people out there in all walks of life that hate for whatever reason. Deal with it. Maybe I misinterpeted it. #4 I see nothing in Psyducks post that was in any way about CP, even remotely hinting at. Now, #2 Sucker did make mention of CP, not by name, but clearly was speaking of him and related another incident. If that warrants a response only the 'big cat' can decide. :laugh:

k, i don't exactly see it that way, whatever, i doubt CP would. thing is if CP responds, what happens to him?
what ever, i'm glad we are kewl, i wanna keep it that way, lol.
same with everyone else, just whatever, there's likely gonna be some head butting, butt sniffin, it's how it is.

As for team: Teams in advantage play...Yes of course. Teams or sides on message board. For what?

far as teams or sides on message board, hell, lol, i dunno.
friends are friends, no? no big deal, lol.
errhh but one thing relevant to the issue related to your inquiry, the for what stuff, when it comes to AP stuff, message board or out in the wild, information is king, no?

edit: whatever, guess i've said my piece, lol, gotta get out into the wildcasinodom for now. peace! good luck, sweet ev to all, lol.

 

[sagefr0g]

Creeping-Panther-Banned-at-BJINFO...-AGAIN

Where is King Stork when we need him? zg

heh heh, i didn't realize that title was a link:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=192347&postcount=15
http://www.zenzoneforum.com/threads/18231-Creeping-Panther-Banned-at-BJINFO...-AGAIN

so are there any of them there stork predators (ya gotta luvem) over there in fight club..... errhh i mean the zenzone?

do you have to register to post in the zenzone or can you use your bjinfo.com username and password?:whip:
edit: ahh never mind i got it, same username and password..............

 

[zengrifter]

so are there any of them there stork predators (ya gotta luvem) over there in fight club..... errhh i mean the zenzone?

We are starting a King Stork Fan Club. Are you in froggy? zg

 

[aslan]

sure, i've been doing it for a couple of weeks with another AP, instead of butting heads out in the wildcasinodom. dude was a perfect stranger at first, it was easily apparent to the both of us what we were about, turned out we had mutual associates and knowledge in common once we got to talking. it didn't take long that it was apparent the necessary degree of trust was in order.
making splits isn't such an uncommon thing among AP's it turns out. it can help reduce the rate of risk as ZG points out and as you point out there can be a reduction in the rate of profits.
it can also make for a more harmonious situation amongst competing AP's out in the wild casinodom.
i'll give ya this much, such actions may be less common among counter AP's, but just my guess it may well happen.

It's not like you met the other AP in a casino cold or anything like that. In fact, isn't it true that you knew him and about him on line from what he had posted both to you and to others? And on line he does reveal quite a bit about himself so that it is easy to feel like you know him, and he is, after all, a very likable person, so I can see why it would be easy to consummate a deal. And after all, you did not give him control of your bankroll, as might be necessary in a pooling of bankrolls in a card counting situation. I doubt there are many APs you would bump into for the first time in any way, just out of the blue, and decide on the spot at the table to merge bankrolls as zg and I were talking about. I doubt it ever happened in the history of AP. Now, maybe after sitting around shooting the breeze over a coffee, you might get a good feeling about this fellow, and decide to put up a specified amount to his equal amount. That's one thing. But to run into him at the table for the first time, without a clue who he was except that he could count, I doubt you'd whisper in his ear, "Here's my money, let's go in together." No,,,I think I know you better than that, Wise One. :laugh:

 

[sagefr0g]

It's not like you met the other AP in a casino cold or anything like that. In fact, isn't it true that you knew him and about him on line from what he had posted both to you and to others? And on line he does reveal quite a bit about himself so that it is easy to feel like you know him, and he is, after all, a very likable person, so I can see why it would be easy to consummate a deal.

absolute stranger, didn't know dude from Adam.
no online thing nothing like that, it was just as i described it in the previous post.
of course there is more to it than a short post can illuminate, i grant ya that.

And after all, you did not give him control of your bankroll, as might be necessary in a pooling of bankrolls in a card counting situation. I doubt there are many APs you would bump into for the first time in any way, just out of the blue, and decide on the spot at the table to merge bankrolls as zg and I were talking about. I doubt it ever happened in the history of AP. Now, maybe after sitting around shooting the breeze over a coffee, you might get a good feeling about this fellow, and decide to put up a specified amount to his equal amount. That's one thing. But to run into him at the table for the first time, without a clue who he was except that he could count, I doubt you'd whisper in his ear, "Here's my money, let's go in together." No,,,I think I know you better than that, Wise One. :laugh:

right, right, just the thing is cause it may be more complicated in principle as you say, doesn't i don't believe negate ziggity do dah's point.
jus my humble opinion.
whatever, splits do happen, it can have it's value, depending on the situation sorta thing, reduced risk, cover, relieving competitive situations... sorta thing.
but the situation zg refers to and the situation i described has to do with pooling plays, more so than pooling bankrolls, although bankroll does come into the action, sorta thing.
and as you allude, for the case of bj counting AP's perhaps a more unlikely situation than other AP stuff, just depends, i should imagine.
just me maybe, imho, grifter's point is valid.

edit: as perhaps a side issue but there are similarities, think in terms of the stuff that Renzey writes about, scavenger play sorta stuff, different yes, but an example of how 'off the cuff' sorta stuff, does happen and can carry a form of advantage. whatever more this sorta thing would be on a play by play sorta basis, but could be evolved into longer term and more complicated sort of contractual stuff.

 

[aslan]

but the situation zg refers to and the situation i described has to do with pooling plays, more so than pooling bankrolls, although bankroll does come into the action, sorta thing.

I didn't get that

But if the two counters merge banks, they can bet twice as big.

.

 

[sagefr0g]

I didn't get that


.

yeah, i see what you mean.
merging banks is just one possibility of a cooperative venture, it could be done but there are alternatives.
to me the real point is cooperation as opposed to one or the other running off with their tail between their legs while the other gorges on some play.
cooperation imho may lead to greater advantage when the negative aspects of competition are considered. other benefits may be possible as well as a result of cooperation, but merging banks, yeah it could be one beneficial tactic, whatever, lot of other possibilities as well. again, the main point though seems to me, that of dealing with competition in an advantageous way.
the 'off the cuff' cooperative sort of stuff has aspects of bank merging, (albeit likely very temporary) in it's nature, no? example: in the case of splits, loses are absorbed by each party involved.

 

[zengrifter]

imho, grifter's point is valid.

There's the kiss of death. zg