My problem with tipping.

[johndoe]

I just like to throw in occasional small bets for the dealer when I have a lot of money out on the table. They seem to enjoy that, and because this only happens when the deck is rich, they win often.

I wonder if there are subconscious incentives to tip near the end of a shoe only, to help increase pen a bit..

 

[nottooshabby]

I wonder if there are subconscious incentives to tip near the end of a shoe only, to help increase pen a bit..

Haha I've thrown out a small toke while the dealer nears the end of the shuffle but right before the cut for this very reason, and have had modest success with it

 

[HarryKuntz]

Wtf???

i think some people go to far with tips though, i was in san francisco one time having lunch and kept ordering warm drinks that were arriving cold, when i left i tipped like 5% of the total bill because the service with the food wasnt terrible, the waitress had the guts to chase us into the street saying that the tip wasnt enough, and had her manager follow her outside of the restaraunt too to try to get us to leave a bigger tip, after that incident we told them if we had known that was going to happen we wouldnt have tipped to begin with

chris

I can't believe you even paid for the drinks, never mind leaving a 5% tip? As for these people expected tips and chasing you down, they're nothing more than beggers, no better than bums on the street asking for spare change. I can't believe you didn't tell them to F Off!:flame:

I live in a country where tipping is NOT expected and IMHO you guys are being ripped off, as are the guys working these low paid jobs.

As for dealers being underpaid and expecting tips, take a look around LV, do these casinos really look poor and can't afford to pay their staff properly?

WAKE UP AMERICA!:whip:

 

[Mimosine]

i tip under 2 conditions:

a) I'm winning
b) and i like the dealer.

this latter point could involve making the game more enjoyable through any number of things including; being polite, asking other patrons to leave if they are being rude, being patient, helping out people who need it so that the game doesn't grind to a halt, ignoring people who sit down and fumble around with money and keep dealing, etc... etc...

in all honesty i have had little luck getting extra pen or rounds out of dealers, though mostly because i haven't developed either the finesse or perhaps confidence to ask without sticking out like a sore thumb.

if a dealer is being rude, or is insulting players, or ignores my signals/doesn't wait for them, or slows the game down then they get squat.

 

[payperboy]

Was in a small native casino the other nite. Only two tables to play at sat down and proceed to lose first 6 hands then started to win, doubled my stack in the next four hands. I proceeded to tip the dealer $1 and he had to ask me what that was for, I said that was for the dealer he said "thank u very much"
He then dropped the chip into the tip box and i could actually here it hit the bottom. The dealer obviously does not get tips. I left on the my 11th hand.

another cool thing i have found is there is a casino in Iowa where they have
a virtual bj u sit at the table and watch a screen that has a virtual dealer.
i have done very well here and i don't have to tip the dealer. Also gives me a great time of learning to count. uses 6 decks and cuts at 2/3.

 

[SleightOfHand]

another cool thing i have found is there is a casino in Iowa where they have
a virtual bj u sit at the table and watch a screen that has a virtual dealer.
i have done very well here and i don't have to tip the dealer. Also gives me a great time of learning to count. uses 6 decks and cuts at 2/3.

WHAAAA?? From what I heard of these virtual BJ machines, I would be careful. I have always known these virtual games to essentially be CSMs and therefore useless for counting. But if it is indeed a 6D 66% pen, I may suspect it as a counter trap, as it could easily have software to monitor your betting ramps. Aside from these concerns, even with its poor pen, sounds like good EV due to an extremely high amount of hands/hr.

Edit: I just saw a post by Shadroch that claims to also have played a virtual bj game with a shuffle point. But he was using OG rather than counting so that may (or may not) confirm my suspicions of it being a counter trap.

 

[shadroch]

WHAAAA?? From what I heard of these virtual BJ machines, I would be careful. I have always known these virtual games to essentially be CSMs and therefore useless for counting. But if it is indeed a 6D 66% pen, I may suspect it as a counter trap, as it could easily have software to monitor your betting ramps. Aside from these concerns, even with its poor pen, sounds like good EV due to an extremely high amount of hands/hr.

These machines are a growing trend. They indeed are 6D, shuffle after 2/3
of the shoot. The tough point is learning the shuffle point, but after you do it's easy. I sat at one and counted the cards dealt and even wrote them down. Hands per hour sucks,as even one on one there is a severe lag time.

 

[zengrifter]

It really irritates me the way society has transformed itself in the business arena. We are now expected to tip people for just doing their jobs. You go to any Subway, Starbucks or other joint and you see tip jars everywhere.

Worse yet, you are expected to tip dealers when playing at the casinos who are expected to be taking money from you without really giving you anything in return for your business. To me, this just smacks of greed. I think all the casinos should be paying their dealers a fair rate and then maybe reward them with raises or what not based on how well they deal. Instead, businesses have figured out that instead of paying their employees what they should be getting paid, they pass on the cost to us the players and consumers.
Poker is a worse animal altogether. Not only do the dealers expect a tip, they expect a big tip when you happen to win big hands. I'm thinking well I just gave the casino $4 in rake and $1 for the bad beat jackpot (which I have oh a 1-250,000 chance of winning) and now I'm expected to give MORE MONEY?!! Maybe I'm just selfish but I don't like this trend. Thoughts?

This is probably the most infuriating thing in the tipping arena. The other day when I was in AC, a ploppie didn't know what to do when she had 4,4 vs the dealer 5. I told her that she should split it despite the dealer telling her that she'd hit it. She decided to listen to me (probably because she noticed I had been winning), and got 11 on the first hand which she doubled down and got 21 and won on the second hand as well when the dealer busted. She then gives the dealer a tip and I was just tempted to yell, "Let me get this straight! You're giving the dealer a tip for giving you bad info instead of the person who helped you win $45!!!!" Just goes to show you how backwards this world is!

Simple: DON'T TIP UNLESS ITS WORTH IT. zg

 

[ccl]

there is a virtual bj machine at a casino in lake charles la that says on the game the machine is 6 decks and shuffles at 75% not sure the other rules since i dont care to play virtual bj that much, but one guy at the table when the mother in law was playing that was obviously counting and not doing too bad against it. I didnt catch anything that might have seen his style come up as a counter to the casino though, they had a slot attendant and security guard stand at the machine for malfunctions and payouts and stuff...

chris

 

[jack.jackson]

Is it actually legal for restaraunts to include the tip into the bill? Or do you have to pay for it, if they include into the bill? That really irritates me when some restaraunts do this

 

[SleightOfHand]

Is it actually legal for restaraunts to include the tip into the bill? Or do you have to pay for it, if they include into the bill? That really irritates me when some restaraunts do this

It is a service charge that is usually posted on the bottom of the menu. Wikipedia says "[c]ustomers have a right to negotiate, alter, or refuse charges which were hidden until the bill arrived." That last part sounds a little ambiguous, as it seems to say that you can't contest after the bill arrives, which is when you first told that there is a service charge.

 

[callipygian]

it seems to say that you can't contest after the bill arrives, which is when you first told that there is a service charge.

Often the statement that there will be a service charge added is either on the menu or stated when you make a reservation. I've never seen an exception, but the places where you can contest the service charge will probably be limited to places that don't do either.

 

[shadroch]

Pay by credit card and then contest the charge with your CC company.
I once was with a group of 8 that went to eat a late lunch. Our waiter disappeared on us and we had to go to the bar to get drinks. They hit us with an 18% tip. I paid with my AMEX and immediately called them and followed up with a letter. End result- the place took 25% off the bill and sent me a couple of twofers.
Do not pay or tip for service you didn't get.

 

[aslan]

How would you feel if in order to pay the dealers better wages,the casinos worsened the games?

I have no problem tipping, which I do mostly after the completion of a session, but occasionally during play. I think it's more than advantage play to not do otherwise; it's cheap. But that's just my opinion. I know the dealers at Caesars make about $90,000 a year. I don't know what percentage is tips, but I imagine it is pretty high. If no one tipped, every casino would have to worsen their games, so you can't brush it off and say you wouldn't go there as someone suggested.

 

[aslan]

Does everyone tip for their drinks when they're playing? I always give up a dollar for a coffee, cocktail or water, but occasionally a $2.50 chip.

 

[Thunder]

I have no problem tipping, which I do mostly after the completion of a session, but occasionally during play. I think it's more than advantage play to not do otherwise; it's cheap. But that's just my opinion. I know the dealers at Caesars make about $90,000 a year. I don't know what percentage is tips, but I imagine it is pretty high. If no one tipped, every casino would have to worsen their games, so you can't brush it off and say you wouldn't go there as someone suggested.

$90,000?!!! That's just insane. I guess I should go and be a bj or poker dealer now especially since the AC casinos are going smoke free shortly. If you're playing 1/2 nl poker and you're giving away let's say on average $4everytime you win a hand between rake (10% up to a mximum of $4) and the $1 for the bad beat jackpot and you average 30 hands/hr and win 3 of them (assume full table of 10 players), that means that you have to be at least 2% better than average to come out ahead assuming a standard $200 buy in. (($4*3)/$200)/(3 hands won) If my math is wrong, feel free to correct me. That's a pretty big house edge to over come if you ask me. That's why I think it's unfair for poker dealers to expect as much in the way of tips as they do. A tip of just $2 per winning hand assuming 3 wins/hr would increase the house edge to 3% per winning hand.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I have no problem tipping, which I do mostly after the completion of a session, but occasionally during play. I think it's more than advantage play to not do otherwise; it's cheap. But that's just my opinion. I know the dealers at Caesars make about $90,000 a year. I don't know what percentage is tips, but I imagine it is pretty high. If no one tipped, every casino would have to worsen their games, so you can't brush it off and say you wouldn't go there as someone suggested.

The casinos certainly wouldn't be paying people $90,000 to deal cards. And all of that, minus minimum wage, is tips.

I tip generously at small indian joints, where the dealers obviously aren't making anything near that. But I am not going to give my hard earned money to someone who makes that much for unskilled labor, they don't need my money. I'll tip a couple white or one pink per session usually, but then again I am just a red chipper..

 

[aslan]

$90,000?!!! That's just insane. I guess I should go and be a bj or poker dealer now especially since the AC casinos are going smoke free shortly. If you're playing 1/2 nl poker and you're giving away let's say on average $4everytime you win a hand between rake (10% up to a mximum of $4) and the $1 for the bad beat jackpot and you average 30 hands/hr and win 3 of them (assume full table of 10 players), that means that you have to be at least 2% better than average to come out ahead assuming a standard $200 buy in. (($4*3)/$200)/(3 hands won) If my math is wrong, feel free to correct me. That's a pretty big house edge to over come if you ask me. That's why I think it's unfair for poker dealers to expect as much in the way of tips as they do. A tip of just $2 per winning hand assuming 3 wins/hr would increase the house edge to 3% per winning hand.

That is the figure my niece gave me; she works for Caesar's, but not as a dealer.

 

[shadroch]

Dealers at Caesars make much more than minimum wage from the casino itself.. But it's not as if you can show up and get a job dealing. First you go to school, then you get a job at El Cortez or The Silver Nugget, work a few months before you get the chance to work O'sheas on your days off for a few more months. It can take a dealer years to get a regular shift at a mid-level casino. Unless,of course, they have a strong rabbi in place.

 

[Warlord]

Does everyone tip for their drinks when they're playing? I always give up a dollar for a coffee, cocktail or water, but occasionally a $2.50 chip.

it seems like I tip the cocktail chicks more often than the dealer. I always tip her $1. the dealer, I bet $1 for them occasionally, usually when there is a high count, so hopefully they win too.