Tipping is the ploppiest move any gambler can make in a casino. It's the only bet where you're guaranteed to lose. You're fooling yourself if you think it will change the sacred flow of the cards or some superstitious BS like that. The only reason an AP should tip if he thinks he'll get more profitable conditions. That's called bribery and it may or may not be effective, but tipping for no reason other than social custom is a ploppy move.
My problem with tipping.
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callipygian
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Keep in mind that's the top of the pay scale - as shadroch pointed out, you don't start dealing Friday and Saturday nights at Caesars right out of dealer school. Unless you're related to someone or sleeping with someone, I guess.Thunder said:
But even the bottom of the pay scale ($20,000-$30,000) isn't a bad job. Certainly, it's better than a lot of card counters do, and there's a lot less variance.
I always say if your goal is to make money off of a casino, you're probably better of dealing than being dealt to.
EasyRhino
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A while back, I was at a local joint where I am more or less a regular. I ended up in a circumstance where I doubled-down my (fairly modest) tip along with my own bet (I rarely double or split tips, but my tip rate had been more miserly than usual up to this point).
The floorman saw thing, and after the hand, thanked me for the tip before the dealer even had a chance to. (And no, this wasn't a place like Wynn where the floormen get a share of tips). Anyway, I figure at that moment, it purchased some pretty cheap brownie points.
The floorman saw thing, and after the hand, thanked me for the tip before the dealer even had a chance to. (And no, this wasn't a place like Wynn where the floormen get a share of tips). Anyway, I figure at that moment, it purchased some pretty cheap brownie points.
SleightOfHand
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What does dealer school consist of? I am very good with cards (being a "retired" magician I am very used to doing shuffles of all sorts and can handle them very well (YAY CHEATINGshadroch said:
)) Ive heard about the cheating scandals so I have no plans to even consider it, but yea... dealer school?
Warlord
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Wynn dealers lose Supreme Court tip sharing decision
Wynn dealers lose Supreme Court tip sharing decision
CARSON CITY — Two Wynn Las Vegas dealers who filed a class action lawsuit in 2006 to end a tip-pooling program implemented at the Strip casino lost their case Thursday before the Nevada Supreme Court.
Wynn dealers lose Supreme Court tip sharing decision
CARSON CITY — Two Wynn Las Vegas dealers who filed a class action lawsuit in 2006 to end a tip-pooling program implemented at the Strip casino lost their case Thursday before the Nevada Supreme Court.
Blue Efficacy
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I think it's unfair that dealers in those shops make so much more than the pit critters. I'm glad Wynn does this.Warlord said:
at my last trip to vegas, i was at the mgm grand, and wasnt doing too hot. Bought in again and about a minute later there was a dealer change. That dealer looking at my chips and assuming I was winning said to me, "you tip the dealer when youre winning right?" which i responded, "when im winning" "you look like youre doing good" she says, which i follow up with a "anyone looks like theyre winning after a buy in"
long story short, it definately made me want to find a new table and fast..
long story short, it definately made me want to find a new table and fast..
aslan
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That's what I try to tell zg, but he'd rather swim upstream. Card counting for anything other than recreation in today's educated environment is a tough way to go--I'm not saying impossible, but certainly not the best bet for my money. To me, card counting is more difficult than a job in today's climate, but it sure is a lot of fun, and you can make some bucks while doing it.callipygian said:Keep in mind that's the top of the pay scale - as shadroch pointed out, you don't start dealing Friday and Saturday nights at Caesars right out of dealer school. Unless you're related to someone or sleeping with someone, I guess.
But even the bottom of the pay scale ($20,000-$30,000) isn't a bad job. Certainly, it's better than a lot of card counters do, and there's a lot less variance.
I always say if your goal is to make money off of a casino, you're probably better of dealing than being dealt to.
ccibball50
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I agree with tipping only in certain circumstances. I had one dealer that new I was counting cards. He did not care as long as I tipped him while I was winning. He played to the last card on multiple occations. He would not use a cut card either. Now he was smart. he onlly expected tips when we were winning.
A second senario where I agree with tipping is when I was playing a single deck game. It was me and my friend vs the dealer. The dealer would get to about 20 cards left and then she would ask. Do you have a feeling or do you want me to reshuffle the cards. She gave us the choice of wether to reshuffle or continue playing another round.
A second senario where I agree with tipping is when I was playing a single deck game. It was me and my friend vs the dealer. The dealer would get to about 20 cards left and then she would ask. Do you have a feeling or do you want me to reshuffle the cards. She gave us the choice of wether to reshuffle or continue playing another round.