Omega II Counting question

[jack.jackson]

Your looking under "stanard error" look a little to the the left under "results." You also will not be able to perform your own set of sims in demo mode.

 

[CountingCards]

Oh okay I see it now. Looks like about $7.70/hour with a 2.7% RoR. I think that's pretty decent for my little experiment. I will test out the other counts tomorrow, it's almost 5 AM here right now! Time flies when you're studying blackjack

 

[zengrifter]

Oh okay I see it now. Looks like about $7.70/hour with a 2.7% RoR. I think that's pretty decent for my little experiment. I will test out the other counts tomorrow, it's almost 5 AM here right now! Time flies when you're studying blackjack

Wong in with 10-10 or even 20-20. I think you can get 12+ easily.

Unless you can get some additional sims run by someone you may need to buy the CV.

Or if you are any good with programming and DOS you can try the free SIM-SIMP.
There are other free sim options. But why drive a modelT when you drive a new Mustang? zg

 

[jack.jackson]

Wong in with 10-10 or even 20-20. I think you can get 12+ easily.

Unless you can get some additional sims run by someone you may need to buy the CV.

Or if you are any good with programming and DOS you can try the free SIM-SIMP.
There are other free sim options. But why drive a modelT when you drive a new Mustang? zg

I thought I should just mention that when hes using the back counting feature, he should also set the number of hands per hour to match the back counting % for realistic results. When doing this it comes as no surprise to me, that playing TC @+2 and above has a lower WR and RoR opposed to playing @ TC's 0 and above since you'll get more hands per hour. I kinda wish CVCX did this automatically by default but it doesnt. It keeps the number at hands at 100 per hour regardless of what positive counts you play(wong in at).

 

[zengrifter]

I kinda wish CVCX did this automatically by default but it doesnt. It keeps the number at hands at 100 per hour regardless of what positive counts you play(wong in at).

It becomes hands seen. You are still playing them in effect with zero bets. zg

 

[CountingCards]

Ok, I just compared all the sims I downloaded. It actually turns out that Mentor is the most profitable, given the same settings as the other counts. However, it has a slightly higher RoR @ 7.6% vs 2.7% for the other counts. I wonder if this justifies switching to the mentor count. I'm willing to do it if it will improve my game, frankly I enjoy learning new counts. What do you guys think? It seems like no matter the settings, the Mentor always gets the most profit, but it's a bit more risky.
**EDIT: Let me rephrase the question to ask which is better in the long run: using Zen (AOII indices), or using Mentor?**

In any case, I am definitely dropping the idea of an Ace side count. You guys made me realize it'd be worthwhile to focus that extra concentration on other things, I'm thinking maybe shuffle tracking. But that's for a later date.

 

[TheMadHatter]

There are people that study aerodynamics, and then there are people that fly airplanes. Which one do you want to be?



TMH

Ok, I just compared all the sims I downloaded. It actually turns out that Mentor is the most profitable, given the same settings as the other counts. However, it has a slightly higher RoR @ 7.6% vs 2.7% for the other counts. I wonder if this justifies switching to the mentor count. I'm willing to do it if it will improve my game, frankly I enjoy learning new counts. What do you guys think? It seems like no matter the settings, the Mentor always gets the most profit, but it's a bit more risky.
**EDIT: Let me rephrase the question to ask which is better in the long run: using Zen (AOII indices), or using Mentor?**

In any case, I am definitely dropping the idea of an Ace side count. You guys made me realize it'd be worthwhile to focus that extra concentration on other things, I'm thinking maybe shuffle tracking. But that's for a later date.

 

[CountingCards]

There are people that study aerodynamics, and then there are people that fly airplanes. Which one do you want to be?



TMH

...useless.

 

[TheMadHatter]

If that's your answer to my question, then you're well on your way. What I said was actually helpful, if you'd pull your head out of the sims and actually put into practice what others have already done their homework on. "Those who can do, do."

These questions like yours never get answered on a forum or with a computer sim. You're *not* a computer, so get out there and fly.

...useless.

 

[CountingCards]

If that's your answer to my question, then you're well on your way. What I said was actually helpful, if you'd pull your head out of the sims and actually put into practice what others have already done their homework on. "Those who can do, do."

These questions like yours never get answered on a forum or with a computer sim. You're *not* a computer, so get out there and fly.

Listen, I only said that because your very first post on this forum is some cute little "inspirational" advice. Obviously I want to fly. I will be hitting the casino as soon as I get my queries resolved. Is that good enough for you?

 

[zengrifter]

Let me rephrase the question to ask which is better in the long run: using Zen (AOII indices), or using Mentor?

They are the same. You are doing something "wrong" in the sim. zg

 

[CountingCards]

Am I losing much of Zen's power by using Omega II indices? In the book it says that using the Z/OmegaII recoups more than half the power lost by just using plain Omega II with no Ace side count. Is that small amount of lost power going to bite me? Finally, I have learned most of the indices in Blackjack for Blood. Are they still correct for today's games?

I'm sorry about the constant questions, I'm just rather scared that I'm not learning the best possible strategy, and that my game will be forever affected by it.

 

[zengrifter]

Am I losing much of Zen's power by using Omega II indices?

No. Your sims are off. zg

 

[CountingCards]

Ok I think I see where I went wrong. So, what's my bottom line here, proceed with Zen/OmegaII or just learn Mentor and stick with that?

 

[TheMadHatter]

Am I losing much of Zen's power by using Omega II indices? In the book it says that using the Z/OmegaII recoups more than half the power lost by just using plain Omega II with no Ace side count. Is that small amount of lost power going to bite me? Finally, I have learned most of the indices in Blackjack for Blood. Are they still correct for today's games?

I'm sorry about the constant questions, I'm just rather scared that I'm not learning the best possible strategy, and that my game will be forever affected by it.

I wasn't trying to be an a** earlier. Look at this chart, for example:

http://www.qfit.com/Book/z6206chart.gif

See how those lines criss-cross like a bowl of spaghetti depending on penetration? It's enough to confuse the living heck out of a guy that's trying to pick out a system. What is "best" at one penetration, isn't "best" at another. There are a lot of variables that you have no control over, including where the dealer sticks the cut card after the next shuffle, but there *are* variables that you *do* have control over. First and foremost is finding something that works for *you*, that you can play well, without errors, and quickly. That trumps any tiny percentage gains from this system or that system.

My father has been an AP since the 70s. Heck, he moved us out to Vegas when I was 3 or 4 just to play full-time. I learned a lot of things from him, and without the use of any computers. I'm the second generation to take money out of the casinos playing this game. The rest I picked up on my own, which is where you'll ultimately find your best information, IMO, because only you can say what works best for you, and that comes with experience. Don't get me wrong, computers certainly have their place when it comes to weeding out "duds", but on the flip-side, you can also get so bogged down in trying to find the "best" system that you'll drive yourself crazy always second-guessing your decision.

Consider this: In the time spent over-analyzing sims (as opposed to adequate analyzing), there is some guy out there putting some easy level 1 system TO WORK, making money, rather than theorizing the thing to death. I don't mean any disrespect by this. I'm only pointing out the obvious.

I'm sorry if I came off wrong, but that's what I was trying to say. I hope you understand.


TMH

 

[CountingCards]

No problem. I'm glad you clarified where you're coming from. I hope we can start fresh again. Now, looking at this SCORE chart...what exactly do these percentages mean? All I know about is BE and PE (and IC). So what is this SCORE? (P.S. The compulsive side of me notes that Wong halves and HiOptII scored disgustingly high. Honestly, doesn't this chart mean that Hi Opt II is the perfect system? It's 100% almost the whole time, and never drops below 97%). Sorry about the text in parentheses, just had to get that out of me...

 

[zengrifter]

Ok I think I see where I went wrong. So, what's my bottom line here, proceed with Zen/OmegaII or just learn Mentor and stick with that?

With Mentor you will need new indices + new tags + new TC training (2DTC)
With Z-O you simply swap 9/A.
Both will perform the same.

Any questions? zg

 

[CountingCards]

With Mentor you will need new indices + new tags + new TC training (2DTC)
With Z-O you simply swap 9/A.
Both will perform the same.

Any questions? zg

No more questions about it! I'm going to stay with Z-O. Thanks for putting up with my incessant questions zg. I'd still like to know what SCORE means though.

 

[TheMadHatter]

No problem. I'm glad you clarified where you're coming from. I hope we can start fresh again. Now, looking at this SCORE chart...what exactly do these percentages mean? All I know about is BE and PE (and IC). So what is this SCORE? (P.S. The compulsive side of me notes that Wong halves and HiOptII scored disgustingly high. Honestly, doesn't this chart mean that Hi Opt II is the perfect system? It's 100% almost the whole time, and never drops below 97%). Sorry about the text in parentheses, just had to get that out of me...

Of course we can start fresh!

As for Super-SCORE, I defer to QFIT, as it's his sim, but from his book "Modern Blackjack", it is described as large combination of data such as differing bet spreads (1-8 and 1-16), penetration, table conditions, and more. For example, it says the 6D chart is comprised of 1,248 weighted averages derived from 12 strategies, 104 penetrations, 2 bet spreads and 16 rule sets for a combined total of 39,936 sets of conditions. Whew!

Hi-Opt II is a great system, but was developed primarily for single deck. I started with it, but dropped it eventually for various reasons. If I recall, you said you didn't want to do an ace side-count, and without one, the BC is a rather dismal .91, and you definitely want something higher for the shoe game you're going to play since PE (Hi-Opt II has a PE of .67 for your inquiring mind) is not nearly as important as BC in shoe games.

I don't know if you have CVBJ, but it lets you practice with all of these strategies that you're thinking about, and even strategies that you design (or have to add to the program if it's not there), if you're inclined to do that. Playing with that should help you get a solid understanding of what it is that you'd *like* to play and what you can play *well*.



TMH

 

[zengrifter]

My father has been an AP since the 70s.

Is he known by a board handle? Share? zg