TheMadHatter
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No, he doesn't do the forum thing that much, maybe not at all anymore.zengrifter said:
Omega II Counting question
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Southpaw
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SCORE is the per 100 round win-rate expressed in dollars that one would win under the given conditions with his given strategy, assuming a 10k bankroll and a unit size such that his Risk of Ruin is 13.53%.
SCORE is ideal for comparison, as it perfectly weighs risk against return. Strategies and conditions creating large standard deviation are penalized by having to use a smaller unit, as to maintain the 13.53% Ruin.
SP
SCORE is ideal for comparison, as it perfectly weighs risk against return. Strategies and conditions creating large standard deviation are penalized by having to use a smaller unit, as to maintain the 13.53% Ruin.
SP
CountingCards
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Oh, I see. In that case, based on the chart, it looks like Zen actually did pretty bad, compared to AOII which I'm already using. They both have generally the same curve, but AOII is higher the whole time. What am I to make of this? I really want to try zg's idea with Z-O, but this chart...
TheMadHatter
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Actually, Zen did well. What you're looking at is each strategy charted as a percent of the best Super-SCORE for that penetration. So, even at its "worst", Zen still performed at a level 89-90% of that of whichever strategy was given a 100% Super-SCORE for that penetration level. So, the differences are nowhere near as large as they appear. Also, the AOII in this chart *includes* a side ace count, which I believe you said was something you wanted to get away from.CountingCards said:
And, finally, as Norm concedes "all attempts at comparing strategies are flawed -- including this one". This is his attempt to combine every variable under the sun and present it together in one chart.
I highly suggest trying these strategies out on some type of practice software, because you'll find that one just "fits" with some practice. You want it to be like walking: When you take a step forward you don't think to yourself, "Now I'm going to lift my left foot and move it forward and swing my right arm, now I'll lift my right foot and move it forward and swing my left arm." You just *walk*. You want it to be like that.
Best of luck. I'm sure you'll find your system and wonder what all the fuss was about.
TMH
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CountingCards
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Hmm, an interesting conclusion from Norm. Well, I have CVBJ, so I think what I must now do is - like you said - try out strategies. I will be trying both AOII with ASC and the Z-O, and seeing which one I can do better/enjoy more. Good analogy with the walking, I think I am almost there with the Omega II, but I still need to practice more. Really interesting post overall, I think it's all finally coming together for me now. Thanks for your input
TheMadHatter
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Sure, any time. I wish you the best. I take a lot of "working vacations" so maybe our paths will cross one day. I'll be sure to look for the guy playing AOII.CountingCards said:
Take care, and good night.
TMH
Southpaw
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Ace-Side Counts are difficult for most. Try it on CVBJ first and you may be horrified at how many errors you are making when trying to use this strategy. In case you don't know, CVBJ allows you to program your strategy, and it will flag all errors that you make. However, if with time you are able to become competent with the ace-side count, then hey, go for it. Just really make sure that you can play the strategy you want to use, without any effort whatsoever.CountingCards said:
However, your time and effort may or may not be better spent improving your game through advanced-techniques than with side-counts.
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CountingCards
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Whether I end up using the side count or not, I agree that there's more to learn down the road. I'm very interested in shuffle tracking or at least Ace tracking later on.
Thanks for the kind words everyone, I suppose this thread is just about done now.
Thanks for the kind words everyone, I suppose this thread is just about done now.
zengrifter
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The ASC will add nothing to your game except extra mental work. You will be working harder to achieve the same result. Save the brain power for more important yields. zgCountingCards said:Whether I end up using the side count or not, I agree that there's more to learn down the road. I'm very interested in shuffle tracking or at least Ace tracking later on.
Thanks for the kind words everyone, I suppose this thread is just about done now.
CountingCards
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Ok, since you are the expert here, I will go with you on this one. Here's my final plan. I will use Z-O as recommended for shoes, and fall back to Omega II with ASC for pitch games.zengrifter said:
CountingCards
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Who is IC&T? I'm sorry, I don't understand this post.Southpaw said:
gamblingghost
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He is a moderator. Some may say ZG is a tad, just a tad, controversial.CountingCards said: